why do men kill their families? - Page 4

wolf · 01-30-2009, 01:53 PM

Even crazy people engage in criminal acts for criminal, rather than crazy, reasons.

Cicero · 01-30-2009, 02:09 PM

So, you admit. It's crazy...

To me, if I pondered killing my entire family, I would deem myself crazy. I would send myself away to a hospital.

That is not included in my personal view of good mental health.

jinx · 01-30-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Tain't necessarily so.

Or, perhaps the answer is "depends on how you define mental illness."

Being a self-centered bitch is not a mental illness.

(Susan Smith, Casey Anthony)

Diane Downs...

People who are truly crazy aren't responsible for their actions, don't understand right/wrong. Personally, I don't want to see "crazy" people getting away with murder just because they fit C'mans definition of nuts.

Ranting that someone who has murdered their kids is crazy reminds me of Chris Rock ranting about niggers... "I take care of my kids..."

Cicero · 01-30-2009, 03:13 PM

I don't think I want to see them get away with it either. Not only do you have to be crazy, you have to be an asshole. Yes, that is my professional opinion. lol!

I mean- didn't you guys see, "the shining?"

What an asshole.

classicman · 01-30-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

People who are truly crazy aren't responsible for their actions, don't understand right/wrong. Personally, I don't want to see "crazy" people getting away with murder just because they fit C'mans definition of nuts.

At what point did I say that I thought they should get away with it due to their insanity? I don't feel that is a valid excuse at all, quite the opposite in fact - especially for murdering someone.

Shawnee123 · 01-30-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cicero

I don't think I want to see them get away with it either. Not only do you have to be crazy, you have to be an asshole. Yes, that is my professional opinion. lol!

I mean- didn't you guys see, "the shining?"

What an asshole.

lol...yeah. What a jerk!

TheMercenary · 01-30-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Being a self-centered bitch is not a mental illness.

HA!

I beg to differ. [/sarc]

TheMercenary · 01-30-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

People who are truly crazy aren't responsible for their actions,

I don't buy that for one minute. They are completely responsible. They just have to pay for their errors differently.

jinx · 01-30-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

At what point did I say that I thought they should get away with it due to their insanity? I don't feel that is a valid excuse at all, quite the opposite in fact - especially for murdering someone.

Wolf pointed out that you don't have to be insane to kill your family and you disagreed.

Pointing out that someone who kills their children/family is fucked in the head is stating the obvious. Calling them insane suggests that they are not legally responsible for their actions, not competent to stand trail etc.. Refusing to accept that truly insane people exist and sometimes commit criminal acts without intending to is like saying that people with depression just need to cheer up.

classicman · 01-30-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Refusing to accept that truly insane people exist and sometimes commit criminal acts without intending to is like saying that people with depression just need to cheer up.

Perhaps that is your analogy perhaps, not mine.

Aliantha · 01-30-2009, 09:26 PM

Anyone who kills their own family has to have something wrong in the top paddock. Whether it's that they're 'clinically insane' or have some other kind of permanent or temporary mental issue doesn't make much difference.

When they're charged with the crime, it's up to the prosecution to prove them guilty of it. It's up to the defense to explain what sort of 'insanity' overtook them at the time of the crime.

After that it's up to the jury.

wolf · 01-31-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

HA!

I beg to differ. [/sarc]

Beg away. I get off on that.

wolf · 01-31-2009, 12:44 AM

One of my first, very memorable, patients was a guy who had killed his family. Young adult, early 20s, first schizophrenic break.

This dude was crazy, crazy. Seriously so. He had been telling his family for weeks that he knew they had been replaced by demons. IIRC, he let them know what he intended to do about this.

The family had the opportunity to get him committed. They did not do so.

He murdered both of his parents and seriously injured his brother. The brother somehow managed to make it out of the house and get to a neighbor's who called the police.

The police or the prison ultimately did the commitment papers.

He did not know what he was doing.

That's the kind of case that Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity is made for. He is still hospitalized (not at my hospital. We don't do long term like that). He is still psychotic, even with medications. He will likely never be released from the hospital.

I know another guy, about the same age, maybe younger. His mom was a really nice lady. Had to come in every couple of months and get him committed because he'd be threatening her. So ... one day, when he wasn't psychotic, they had some kind of an argument. I think it may have been over a videogame of some kind.

He killed her, stabbing her 17 or more times, concealed the body, and was only found out because about a week later he was seen by a relative driving her car around town, and the relative knew he wasn't allowed to drive the car. He knew what he was doing, and tried to cover up his crime. Insanity defense wasn't even considered.

Shawnee123 · 01-31-2009, 10:32 AM

Natural progression...next stop, stabbing:

classicman · 01-31-2009, 10:40 AM

He is an adult - move his shit out on the lawn.

01-30-2009, 01:53 PM	#46
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Even crazy people engage in criminal acts for criminal, rather than crazy, reasons. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-30-2009, 02:09 PM	#47
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	So, you admit. It's crazy... To me, if I pondered killing my entire family, I would deem myself crazy. I would send myself away to a hospital. That is not included in my personal view of good mental health. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

01-30-2009, 03:13 PM	#49
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	I don't think I want to see them get away with it either. Not only do you have to be crazy, you have to be an asshole. Yes, that is my professional opinion. lol! I mean- didn't you guys see, "the shining?" What an asshole. __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

01-30-2009, 09:26 PM	#56
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Anyone who kills their own family has to have something wrong in the top paddock. Whether it's that they're 'clinically insane' or have some other kind of permanent or temporary mental issue doesn't make much difference. When they're charged with the crime, it's up to the prosecution to prove them guilty of it. It's up to the defense to explain what sort of 'insanity' overtook them at the time of the crime. After that it's up to the jury. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

01-31-2009, 12:44 AM	#58
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	One of my first, very memorable, patients was a guy who had killed his family. Young adult, early 20s, first schizophrenic break. This dude was crazy, crazy. Seriously so. He had been telling his family for weeks that he knew they had been replaced by demons. IIRC, he let them know what he intended to do about this. The family had the opportunity to get him committed. They did not do so. He murdered both of his parents and seriously injured his brother. The brother somehow managed to make it out of the house and get to a neighbor's who called the police. The police or the prison ultimately did the commitment papers. He did not know what he was doing. That's the kind of case that Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity is made for. He is still hospitalized (not at my hospital. We don't do long term like that). He is still psychotic, even with medications. He will likely never be released from the hospital. I know another guy, about the same age, maybe younger. His mom was a really nice lady. Had to come in every couple of months and get him committed because he'd be threatening her. So ... one day, when he wasn't psychotic, they had some kind of an argument. I think it may have been over a videogame of some kind. He killed her, stabbing her 17 or more times, concealed the body, and was only found out because about a week later he was seen by a relative driving her car around town, and the relative knew he wasn't allowed to drive the car. He knew what he was doing, and tried to cover up his crime. Insanity defense wasn't even considered. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-31-2009, 10:32 AM	#59
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Natural progression...next stop, stabbing: Attached Images __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-31-2009, 10:40 AM	#60
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	He is an adult - move his shit out on the lawn. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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