Kentucky wants the US to go to hell

SamIam · 03-02-2010, 11:18 AM

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Washington (CNN) -- Top Democrats tore into one of their Republican counterparts Monday for blocking an extension of unemployment benefits that would provide assistance to millions of jobless Americans.

The Senate adjourned last week without approving extensions of cash and health insurance benefits for the unemployed after Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Kentucky, blocked the measure by insisting that Congress first pay for the $10 billion package. The emergency measure needed unanimous consent to pass...

This could be devastating to the unemployed who were counting on that income. In total, more than a million people could stop getting checks next month, with nearly 5 million running out of benefits by June, according to the National Unemployment Law Project.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/....html?hpt=Sbin

I find it outrageous that a single member of Congress can prevent badly needed legislation from passing. I assume Bunning would be all in favor for rejecting all federal monies that go to the state of Kentucky in order to help to balance the budget.

As the article goes on to say, where was Bunning when Congress voted to engage in two astronomically expensive wars? Where was he when Congress voted in more welfare to the rich with tax cuts for those in the upper income tiers?

Bunning is retiring after his current term in Congress. His final actions will leave a black mark on his reputation and on the state he represents. The motto of the state of Kentucky is "A house divided cannot stand." Maybe Senator Bunning needs to get back to his roots.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-02-2010, 11:50 AM

This story shows exactly why all members of congress suck.

First, while I do have disagreements about Senator Jim Bunning's actions, I do believe his actions were based on moral ground and not political bullshit. He may have voted for the Bush wars but views change, especially when you are not worried about being reelected.

Our deficit is a huge problem and I would agree with Bunning if it wasn't directly about keeping jobs. In fact, I think the Democrats are the most to blame for this because they seemed to simply accept this a "political victory" over Republicans. From every news source I've seen, the Democrats did not push that hard for this bill to be passed, as in actual sacrifice, but I could be wrong about that.

lookout123 · 03-02-2010, 12:37 PM

What a bastard! how fucking dare he ask the people who want to spend money to figure out where they are getting it from. let's lynch the asshole.

jinx · 03-02-2010, 12:39 PM

If he voted to spend money once, he is morally obligated to vote yes to all money spending in the future. Duh.

Happy Monkey · 03-02-2010, 12:39 PM

Ironically, he voted against the rule that he's now grandstanding for.

lookout123 · 03-02-2010, 12:42 PM

That's not ironic at all, that's politics. They're all a bunch of whores. I just find it humorous that the outrage here is that he chose to block an expenditure until someone decided where the money was coming from. Our government shouldn't be spending a single penny unless they know where it is coming from.

tw · 03-02-2010, 01:04 PM

Shelby was doing the same thing to 80 Obama nominees. Shelby was doing this, in part, so that an FBI crime lab would be built in Alabama. When ABC News and other news bureaus reported what Shelby was doing, suddenly Shelby relented. He could not defend his overt acts of obstructing government for a political agenda.

If Bunning was being honest, where was he when all the bills were being created? Where was he was the Medicaid bill protection big Pharma's 40% higher profits? Where was he when Cheney said "Deficits don't matter"? Why was he so quiet then? That's politics. Promote a political agenda even at the expense of America. A characteristic of extremists - not of moderates.

lookout123 · 03-02-2010, 01:05 PM

Who was doing that?

classicman · 03-02-2010, 01:05 PM

Perhaps those that presented this bill should have thought about where the money was coming from beforehand. I don't like that this is the bill he decided to make a stand on, but wasn't there some direction from the president about pay as you go or some such?

piercehawkeye45 · 03-02-2010, 01:13 PM

There was direction. In order to not have a "pay as you go" bill, or aka an emergency bill, all members of congress have to agree to it. All of them did but Bunning.

Spexxvet · 03-02-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

... Our government shouldn't be spending a single penny unless they know where it is coming from.

Including the Bushwars, defense, veterans' benefits, Medicare, Social Security, highways - not a single penny!

lookout123 · 03-02-2010, 01:16 PM

Damn straight. You don't seem to realize that I don't hold dems or reps to different standards. You have to know where money is coming from before you can spend it. It seems reasonable to me.

Spexxvet · 03-02-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

Damn straight. You don't seem to realize that I don't hold dems or reps to different standards. You have to know where money is coming from before you can spend it. It seems reasonable to me.

What if it's an urgent emergency, and there will be devastating consequences if action is not taken right away?

lookout123 · 03-02-2010, 01:20 PM

If they have enough time to get together and decide how much money should be spent on something those really smart, ethical people we elect should also be able to figure out where it is coming from.

tw · 03-02-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

Perhaps those that presented this bill should have thought about where the money was coming from beforehand.

Which is why that question should have been asked here in 2003 when Clinton's surplus was quickly worthlessly converted into a massive deficit. A debt masked by creating something America once no longer needed - the 30 year government bond. Created so that America could be a massive debtor nation even to China. Where were these responsible people when they were that controlled both branches of government?

We must now pay for the bills created when lying was routine. Lying as in "Mission Accomplished". A $2billion war that would be paid for by Iraqi oil - has become closer to $1000billion - and now must be paid for.

Where was Bunning when it came time to be a responsible America? Instead he was promoting the Saddam myth – promoting a political agenda that would only harm America. Somebody today has to pay for those lies.

Deja Vue Nam was defined here six years ago. Predicted back then. We are now reliving the same history lesson. Nixon did same lying in 1968 and 1970. Those outstanding bills caused major economic malaise in 1975 and 1979.

03-02-2010, 11:50 AM	#2
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	This story shows exactly why all members of congress suck. First, while I do have disagreements about Senator Jim Bunning's actions, I do believe his actions were based on moral ground and not political bullshit. He may have voted for the Bush wars but views change, especially when you are not worried about being reelected. Our deficit is a huge problem and I would agree with Bunning if it wasn't directly about keeping jobs. In fact, I think the Democrats are the most to blame for this because they seemed to simply accept this a "political victory" over Republicans. From every news source I've seen, the Democrats did not push that hard for this bill to be passed, as in actual sacrifice, but I could be wrong about that. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

03-02-2010, 12:37 PM	#3
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	What a bastard! how fucking dare he ask the people who want to spend money to figure out where they are getting it from. let's lynch the asshole. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-02-2010, 12:39 PM	#4
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	If he voted to spend money once, he is morally obligated to vote yes to all money spending in the future. Duh. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

03-02-2010, 12:39 PM	#5
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Ironically, he voted against the rule that he's now grandstanding for. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-02-2010, 12:42 PM	#6
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	That's not ironic at all, that's politics. They're all a bunch of whores. I just find it humorous that the outrage here is that he chose to block an expenditure until someone decided where the money was coming from. Our government shouldn't be spending a single penny unless they know where it is coming from. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-02-2010, 01:04 PM	#7
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Shelby was doing the same thing to 80 Obama nominees. Shelby was doing this, in part, so that an FBI crime lab would be built in Alabama. When ABC News and other news bureaus reported what Shelby was doing, suddenly Shelby relented. He could not defend his overt acts of obstructing government for a political agenda. If Bunning was being honest, where was he when all the bills were being created? Where was he was the Medicaid bill protection big Pharma's 40% higher profits? Where was he when Cheney said "Deficits don't matter"? Why was he so quiet then? That's politics. Promote a political agenda even at the expense of America. A characteristic of extremists - not of moderates.

03-02-2010, 01:05 PM	#8
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Who was doing that? __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-02-2010, 01:05 PM	#9
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Perhaps those that presented this bill should have thought about where the money was coming from beforehand. I don't like that this is the bill he decided to make a stand on, but wasn't there some direction from the president about pay as you go or some such? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

03-02-2010, 01:13 PM	#10
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	There was direction. In order to not have a "pay as you go" bill, or aka an emergency bill, all members of congress have to agree to it. All of them did but Bunning. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

03-02-2010, 01:16 PM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Damn straight. You don't seem to realize that I don't hold dems or reps to different standards. You have to know where money is coming from before you can spend it. It seems reasonable to me. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-02-2010, 01:20 PM	#14
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	If they have enough time to get together and decide how much money should be spent on something those really smart, ethical people we elect should also be able to figure out where it is coming from. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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