Toyota stop sale

[xoxoxoBruce]

Toyota asking technical questions, of a man who's afraid to put his car in neutral for fear it will flip over, is a waste of time.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Toyota asking technical questions, of a man who's afraid to put his car in neutral for fear it will flip over, is a waste of time.

For real?

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's what they claimed on the tube, was the CA man's answer to why he didn't shift into neutral. But not a direct quote, and through the reporter it becomes second hand, so we can't be sure he's really that stupid. Sounds like it though.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by tw

Simple and honest response is, "I cannot find these normally easy things to find. Please help." Instead "fuck" was posted in reply. Which demonstrates my point. Imagine Toyota's frustration when they too are dealing with people who cannot even do simple things such as ask for clarification. Who instead reply with profanity.

Where is any word that even approaches 'sucks'? None. You invented it. If thinking like wackoman, then everything is only black or white. If 'not good', then it can only 'suck'? You said that.

OK. Consumer Reports only recommends maybe 14% of the cars. According to that wackoextremist reasoning, then Consumer Reports says 85% of all cars "suck"? That is what you have posted. Can I quote you?

Some computers suck and some computers are recommended. Then is the category that extremists must refuse to understand - a third category. In an extremist's world only "good and evil", "black and white", "recommend and suck" exist. Why are you endorsing extremism? Or are you playing games taught to communication majors?

You are (I suspect) intentionally demonstrating the problem and my original point. Toyota would be suffering this same problem due to humans doing what you have just done. Humans doing what you just did are exactly why technical solutions can be so difficult. Also demonstrated by other examples such as the check engine light, House who says, "everyone lies", San Diego Prius driver, Audis, and Firestone tires.

Imagine Toyota's frustration when they make recommendations and you reply with 'sucks' or 'fuck' interpretations. When people cannot bother to ask a simple logical question, "I don't understand". Instead only reply with "fuck, talk English man". That is always the major impediment to solving a problem.

In lumberjim's case the obviously simple topmost paragraph would have identified the problem immediately. Solution obvious. It was not done only because he did not do it; instead replied with profanity.

Humans are the greatest impediment to solving problems. Amazing how 'not recommended' gets perverted into 'suck' especially when thinking as an extremists - everything is only "black or white". Another example of why humans are a major impediment to solving problems.

Meanwhile, when one does not understand what a disk drive, CDrom, or web site is, then a civil person ask probing questions - not profanity. It demonstrated perfectly the problem Toyota must be confronting.

you should go and re read that thread for comprehension, sir.

I DID ask for clarification of what you meant by diagnostics:

Originally Posted by lumberjim

I did get it to boot using the Ultimate Boot Disc. But, when I click my computer, it only shows a B drive(952MB) and the disc..... It's like it can't see the C drive....

I assume the diagnostics are on a partition of that like they are on my HP. If I can't see the hard drive, how can I run those self diagnostics?

you ignored that question, and in your next reply in the thread, your 3rd sentence says:

Much of what you just went through would be solved (learned) immediately by the diagnostic. And again, it has at least three sources - on the hard drive, on a CD-Rom, and from the manufacturer web site.

If it does not exist, well, you now appreciate why I only recommend computer that provide those diagnostics.

and the last sentence of that post:

Meanwhile, appreciate why I prefer companies that provide those comprehensive hardware diagnostics including Dell and HP. It makes problems so massively easier to understand. In your case, the diagnostics would have immediately said which disk drives actually existed - and not confused the help who assumed the drive had failed.

clodfobble has you sussed quite nicely. You can refuse to hear it, and harp on the fact that I said Fuck, and she said Suck.... But YOU are the one who has failed to communicate. YOU will not be hired by me if I am a customer. YOUR family will go hungry.

take the advice. learn to deal with humans instead of deriding them.

[classicman]

Although I've been enjoying the thread drift ...

HARRISON, N.Y. – A housekeeper who reported that her boss' Toyota Prius accelerated on its own and wouldn't brake as she hurtled toward a stone wall apparently had her foot on the gas pedal the entire time, according to a police investigation that concluded the driver, not the car, caused the accident.

The March 9 crash in a suburban New York driveway came the day after a driver in San Diego reported that the gas pedal got stuck on his 2008 Prius, resulting in a wild 94 mph ride on a Southern California freeway.

The two accidents raised new questions about Toyota's accelerators. The company had already recalled more than 8 million cars over gas pedals that could become stuck or be held down by floor mats.

But in the California case, Toyota said its tests showed the car's gas pedal, backup safety system and electronics were working fine.

And on Monday, Harrison police Capt. Anthony Marraccini said, "The vehicle accelerator in this case was depressed 100 percent at the time of collision, and there was absolutely no indication of any brake application."

The data came from the car's on-board event data recorder and computer and was downloaded during an inspection Wednesday joined by Toyota and the National Highway Safety Traffic Administration, which also concluded the car was not at fault. The event data recorder, or "black box," is designed to record the state of the car at the moment of an impact.

Marraccini said the 56-year-old driver "believes she depressed the brake, but that just simply isn't the case here." She did not try to deceive police, he said, and she faces no charges.

Toyota spokesman Wade Hoyt said owner of Priuses can feel secure that "if you step on the brake they'll stop, even if the accelerator is glued to the floor."

The company also issued a statement saying it would continue to investigate "reported incidents of unintended acceleration."

The New York driver, identified as Gloria Rosel, did not come to the door of the house where she works Monday. Calls there were not returned.

Marraccini said the car's computers showed that the Prius' top speed down the driveway was 35 mph; it slowed once when it hit a curb and it was going 27 mph when it hit the wall across the street from the driveway entrance.

The car's front end was wrecked but the driver was not seriously hurt.

The captain displayed a page from the computer readout that showed an accelerator sensor measuring 99.9 percent while a brake sensor showed zero.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by classicman

A housekeeper who reported that her boss' Toyota Prius accelerated on its own and wouldn't brake as she hurtled toward a stone wall apparently had her foot on the gas pedal the entire time, according to a police investigation that concluded the driver, not the car, caused the accident.

Orly...

Originally Posted by jinx

I wonder it's the same problem the audi 5000 had. That would be ironic.

Originally Posted by tw

The audi 5000 was clearly drivers stomping on the gas pedal. Then claiming they were pressing the brake pedal. Even a Consumers Report investigation and video made that obvious.

This Toyota problem is different. In one crash, the brakes literally melted.

[Pico and ME]

I wrecked a car because I stepped on the accelerator instead of the brake...BUT I HAD NO MISCONCEPTIONS OF WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED. I dont get how these people can claim otherwise.

[classicman]

They're stooo-pit.

[Clodfobble]

I'm sure she knows what actually happened, but she was hoping to not get blamed for wrecking her boss's car.

[Pie]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

I wrecked a car because I stepped on the accelerator instead of the brake...BUT I HAD NO MISCONCEPTIONS OF WHAT HAD TRANSPIRED. I dont get how these people can claim otherwise.

Me too -- first accident I ever had. I was reversing out of a parking spot and hit the wrong pedal.

This was during Thanksgiving. I had gotten my license over the summer, and hadn't driven at all in 4 months.

[glatt]

Driving her boss's car, she was probably not that familiar with it and the confusion was much more likely.

I have one pair of shoes that have soles slightly wider than the rest of the shoes I own, and when I drive with those, I sometimes have trouble with the pedals on our car.

[classicman]

Toyota waited months to issue '05 steering recall

Toyota waited nearly a year in 2005 to recall trucks and SUVs in the United States with defective steering rods, despite issuing a similar recall in Japan and receiving dozens of reports from American motorists about rods that snapped without warning, an Associated Press investigation has found.

The lengthy gap between the Japanese and U.S. recalls — strikingly similar to Toyota's handling of the recent recall for sudden acceleration problems — triggered a new investigation Monday by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which could fine the automaker up to $16.4 million. That was also the amount Toyota paid last month in the acceleration case.

Link

[classicman]

Originally Posted by jinx

I wonder it's the same problem the Audi 5000 had. That would be ironic.

And the answer is...
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The U.S. Department of Transportation has analyzed dozens of data recorders from Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles involved in accidents blamed on sudden acceleration and found that the throttles were wide open and the brakes weren't engaged at the time of the crash, people familiar with the findings said.
The early results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyotas and Lexuses surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator when they intended to jam on the brakes.
The initial findings are consistent with a 1989 government-sponsored study that blamed similar driver mistakes for a rash of sudden-acceleration reports involving Audi 5000 sedans.

Link

[glatt]

The early results suggest that some drivers who said their Toyotas and Lexuses surged out of control were mistakenly flooring the accelerator when they intended to jam on the brakes.

I was annoyed when I heard this news report on NPR the other day. They didn't give any numbers at all. They said of all the reported incidents, "some" were cause by driver error. That's not very helpful. Was it 99% or was it more like 5%? You leave the report thinking "Well, that's that. It was the drivers' fault." When really you can't make any such statement without the numbers. "Some" is not a number. This article basically says nothing at all.

[Happy Monkey]

Of course "throttles were wide open and the brakes weren't engaged" is an accurate description of the symptom. If the computer is incorrectly deciding that the user wants to slam the gas, then it might dutifully write that incorrect data in the recorder.

It depends on how separate the sensors and logic for the recorder are from the sensors and logic for the controls.