It Gets Better

monster · 09-22-2010, 08:10 PM

Two guys made a video about being happy gay adults in response to the suicide of a gay teenager in Texas. They called it "It Gets Better", and set up a youtube channel, encouraging others to make videos. This morning -when my attention was drawn to it, it was just their video. Now there are half a dozen or so.

I think this is such a great project. It may not be a solution to the problem, but at least it's something. It's sort of like what happened for nerds when Bill Gates became a household name. Only better. Just a glimpse of light at the end of the tunel, of something better out there when it feels that maybe it isn't really worth carrying on.

http://www.youtube.com/user/itgetsbetterproject

Flint · 09-22-2010, 08:37 PM

Hey, that's awesome.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-22-2010, 08:55 PM

But what if children see it, and catch the gay?

monster · 09-22-2010, 09:00 PM

It's ok, they most likely have Norton or McAfee to deal with that

Cloud · 09-22-2010, 09:13 PM

Like!

It gets better, and is getting better with the hard work of all the LGBT activists and regular gay people, and any other person who will not accept bigotry and tolerance.

Of course, high school is frequently hell for many of us, regardless of sexual orientation.

monster · 09-22-2010, 09:17 PM

Seriously, though, that middle school/high school age is so fucking awful if you aren't "popular" maybe it's fucking awful for everyone, who knows? I don't -I was on the podgy/swot/nerd/parent-are-divorced-oh-the-shame list. I suspect many of us hardcore dwellars were not on everyone's party list. It would've been nice to know that people like me stood a chance in adulthood.

I always figured I'd be a loser adult too, but it never occurred to me to do anything about it -positive or negative. It just sort of happened as I went to uni I got a fresh start and it became clearer that maybe i wasn't actually a loser (jmho

). And life has just got better from that point.

I guess that's why this struck a chord. And..... I'm not gay and yet it was pretty horrible for me. I now live in a very gay-friendly city. My kids go to the school where all the gay parents sent their kids if they can get in. And yet I still see the kids who "have gay tendancies" being rejected by the other kids. Not the teachers and parents, thankfully, and it's not outright bullying, but they still hover on the outside of the cliques and find it hard to fit in.

Cloud · 09-22-2010, 09:24 PM

I agree! it struck a chord for dealing with depression, too. That awful pit of black despair, when you think nothing can possibly be okay ever again. It DOES get better!

xoxoxoBruce · 09-22-2010, 09:28 PM

It doesn't get any better, you just reach 21, and can be drunk all the time.

monster · 09-22-2010, 09:41 PM

Thanks, xoB.

Someone let me know when he's becomig intolerably irritating? Why are you so bitter? You're pretty popular here. I sorta assumed you weren't gay from your posts, but are you? Whatever your bitch is, you clearly made it too. Why would you not support those who remember how shitty it was offering a lifeline to those currently there?

classicman · 09-22-2010, 09:43 PM

??? Who ???

Clodfobble · 09-22-2010, 10:00 PM

The guy on the right is Dan Savage, who writes a sex advice column called Savage Love. I hope he's able to garner publicity for this.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-22-2010, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster

Thanks, xoB. Someone let me know when he's becomig intolerably irritating? Why are you so bitter? You're pretty popular here. I sorta assumed you weren't gay from your posts, but are you? Whatever your bitch is, you clearly made it too. Why would you not support those who remember how shitty it was offering a lifeline to those currently there?

It was a joke, which doesn't affect this project or it's intended goals. Those queer kids aren't coming to the Cellar for affirmation. I might add it has nothing to do with nerds or geeks, it's about queers, you're twisting it for your own fit.
Anyway, telling kids that after high school everything gets better is missleading. If they don't work, and damn hard, at making it better, it won't. Life sucks and then you die, unless you make it otherwise.

monster · 09-22-2010, 10:04 PM

I saw the column while I was checking out the video. is it good? it seemed ok

Cloud · 09-22-2010, 10:08 PM

life doesn't always get better, no. but nothing ever gets better if you off yourself for lack of hope. OR try to drown your sorrows with alcohol.

monster · 09-22-2010, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

It was a joke, which doesn't affect this project or it's intended goals. Those queer kids aren't coming to the Cellar for affirmation. I might add it has nothing to do with nerds or geeks, it's about queers, you're twisting it for your own fit.
Anyway, telling kids that after high school everything gets better is missleading. If they don't work, and damn hard, at making it better, it won't. Life sucks and then you die, unless you make it otherwise.

fair points, sorry I just wasn't in the right frame of mind to find it funny, so I thought you were just being unpleasant.

But i don't believe you have to work hard to make it better. I think it gets better anyway -you do have to work hard to make the most of that and turn it around. But it seems reasonable to me that it gets better (maybe not perfect) the minute you are not forced to be confined in a room with people who hate you on principle? Certainly worked for me.

09-22-2010, 08:10 PM	#1
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	It Gets Better Two guys made a video about being happy gay adults in response to the suicide of a gay teenager in Texas. They called it "It Gets Better", and set up a youtube channel, encouraging others to make videos. This morning -when my attention was drawn to it, it was just their video. Now there are half a dozen or so. I think this is such a great project. It may not be a solution to the problem, but at least it's something. It's sort of like what happened for nerds when Bill Gates became a household name. Only better. Just a glimpse of light at the end of the tunel, of something better out there when it feels that maybe it isn't really worth carrying on. http://www.youtube.com/user/itgetsbetterproject __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

09-22-2010, 08:37 PM	#2
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09-22-2010, 08:55 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But what if children see it, and catch the gay? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-22-2010, 09:00 PM	#4
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	It's ok, they most likely have Norton or McAfee to deal with that __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

09-22-2010, 09:13 PM	#5
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Like! It gets better, and is getting better with the hard work of all the LGBT activists and regular gay people, and any other person who will not accept bigotry and tolerance. Of course, high school is frequently hell for many of us, regardless of sexual orientation. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

09-22-2010, 09:17 PM	#6
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Seriously, though, that middle school/high school age is so fucking awful if you aren't "popular" maybe it's fucking awful for everyone, who knows? I don't -I was on the podgy/swot/nerd/parent-are-divorced-oh-the-shame list. I suspect many of us hardcore dwellars were not on everyone's party list. It would've been nice to know that people like me stood a chance in adulthood. I always figured I'd be a loser adult too, but it never occurred to me to do anything about it -positive or negative. It just sort of happened as I went to uni I got a fresh start and it became clearer that maybe i wasn't actually a loser (jmho ). And life has just got better from that point. I guess that's why this struck a chord. And..... I'm not gay and yet it was pretty horrible for me. I now live in a very gay-friendly city. My kids go to the school where all the gay parents sent their kids if they can get in. And yet I still see the kids who "have gay tendancies" being rejected by the other kids. Not the teachers and parents, thankfully, and it's not outright bullying, but they still hover on the outside of the cliques and find it hard to fit in. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

09-22-2010, 09:24 PM	#7
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I agree! it struck a chord for dealing with depression, too. That awful pit of black despair, when you think nothing can possibly be okay ever again. It DOES get better! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

09-22-2010, 09:28 PM	#8
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It doesn't get any better, you just reach 21, and can be drunk all the time. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-22-2010, 09:41 PM	#9
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Thanks, xoB. Someone let me know when he's becomig intolerably irritating? Why are you so bitter? You're pretty popular here. I sorta assumed you weren't gay from your posts, but are you? Whatever your bitch is, you clearly made it too. Why would you not support those who remember how shitty it was offering a lifeline to those currently there? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart Last edited by monster; 09-22-2010 at 09:46 PM. Reason: smiley added for clarity because of paranoid assicholes

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classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	??? Who ??? __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

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Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	The guy on the right is Dan Savage, who writes a sex advice column called Savage Love. I hope he's able to garner publicity for this. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

09-22-2010, 10:04 PM	#13
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I saw the column while I was checking out the video. is it good? it seemed ok __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

09-22-2010, 10:08 PM	#14
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	life doesn't always get better, no. but nothing ever gets better if you off yourself for lack of hope. OR try to drown your sorrows with alcohol. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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