Perspective on the US from an expat working in China

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by Riddil

And Cicero, actually I'm not against the influx of Mexicans into the US at all. I am against the ILLEGAL influx of Mexicans. However, I think we should set up a simple registration system to make it just as easy for just as many Mexicans to come into the country. Get them tax payer numbers, and get them paying taxes. The beef I have with the current system is they come in, get paid under the table, and send all that money home. If you're working in the US, you should be paying taxes in the US.

Anyhow, I digress, my real point with immigration is that it's silly how easy we make it for uneducated illegals, and so difficult for educated professionals. I don't only mean Easterners, either. I say open up the gates and let Europeans, Africans, South Americans, whatever, let 'em come on in. We should lock out the poor Mexicans to match the difficult process for everyone else. We should clean them both up, and make it easy for people to move into the US.

And yes, "whatever it takes to stay at the top", INCLUDING bringing in foreigners to take top jobs. How many stories are there from the end of the 1800's, and beginning of the 1900's about some immigrant coming from Europe and building a massively successful company? The quality work they do makes American companies more competitive, and the companies they create give jobs to more Americans, and the income they earn is injected into the US.

Who cares if they talk with an accent? Their kids won't.

The illegals:They do pay taxes, because they have homes. Illegal, but they do pay. They also pay sales taxes at grocery stores etc. etc. Everyone pays. There is no way around any of that. Not that I am taking up for that. I live in an area full of illegal nationals and I don't like what is being done here. I think we do need to stop them from pouring into the United States in droves. This is already a great deal of stress on our allocation of federal and state funding that is supposed to go to naturalized citizens. I agree, get the ones here registered! Good Idea. But this has to stop. We need to limit the influx of immigrants and work with who we have here already. We are Americans and can self-sustain. I believe in the power of the American people to be steadfast, work hard, and pull themselves up by their own boot-straps.

I think your idea about immigration is specious. Like a common school-boy who can tediously string words together and not actually understand what he is saying nor the implications. Charming. (As the teachers clap from the side-lines) How is your immigration idea going to promote self-responsibility and progressive education? You are talking about the inevitability of common Americans becoming a slave race to corporate, immigrant, political leaders that do not have a respect for our way of life, our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and thereby negating the essence of who we are. We are a people that have made great strides, and many advances since our founding fathers came here not too long ago. We have made countless contributions to the world, the best one I can think of, but receding currently, is freedom, and basic human rights. Your idea of getting to the top by any means makes you, sir, a (edited) bully-boy that blah blah blah...... You have lost all respect for what it means to be a common American laboring away at his blue-collar job to feed his family for a decent, still unlivable,wage. My husband is one of these people. He works 6 days a week and sweats to help get us by. He is skilled in his area. His company is making responsible advances. He is on the cutting-edge of systems that might help other countries to self-sustain as well.
Maybe you are describing Americans that are a projection of yourself.
Greedy for advances, over-production, be on top no matter what, and all of it will become waste, when there are good, hard-working Americans out there that fight for our way of life, and how to maintain what we have now and are concerned about our future.

Yes, foreigners have made many advances. But there are many great contributions made by Americans that you try and negate by spelling that out. I call bait and switch. We aren't going to see eye to eye on this. So what? I have seen personal evolutions that were american-made. And only possible in America.

Anyway, you are becoming a Riddil wrapped around a nightmare, and I see the direction you are heading. I find what you are saying to be (unintentionally as it may be) insulting. Which is why I sound like an asshole. I'm really not an asshole but I think you are trying to take advantage of the current american chaos, like everyone else in the world might like to, to have it run by a foreign, tyrannical elite class. You are talking about a foreign, legalized, occupation of the United States.

So. I guess I will go stick my head in the sand. I am bound to get butt-raped for this. But you know what? I call bull-shit. I Love the verbiage and good luck on your journey. I guess I'll stand in this thread alone and say my peace as stupid, lazy, American, but I am not so easily convinced. (oh and we are stubborn too)


I wish my over-qualified, underpaid, genius, fellow-americans would get to run a top job. That's what I wish. I know a lot of really smart hard-working Americans stuck in a meat-grinder. And you would like to turn the handle.

Well, thank you for helping me to the realization of how much I actually do believe in this country myself. It just gets lodged in the back of my brain because of my petty complaints.