Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners

[henry quirk]

Are any of these dem potentials promisin', in any way, to reduce the size & power of government on any level?

[slang]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Are any of these dem potentials promisin', in any way, to reduce the size & power of government on any level?

No. That's impossible. Am I wrong?

[Flint]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Are any of these dem potentials promisin', in any way, to reduce the size & power of government on any level?

Progressives are intensely interested in reducing the size & power of large entities which overpower the liberty of individuals, we just disagree on what the primary threats are.

[henry quirk]

"No. That's impossible. Am I wrong?"

Nope: it was a trick question.

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"Progressives are intensely interested in reducing the size & power of large entities which overpower the liberty of individuals"

Big business, in other words. Simple: make government stop protecting & catering to 'em. Otherwise: leave 'em be.

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"we just disagree on what the primary threats are."

Actually, if you think on it, we aren't that far apart. You want corps and the like reduced in power and scope; so do I. Where we disagree: you want gov to regulate 'em; I want gov to stop -- as I say -- protecting & catering to 'em.

You'd monitor & micromanage 'em; I'd throw 'em into the wilderness to fend for themselves.

What we disagree on, then, is the proper role of American 'government'.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"No. That's impossible. Am I wrong?"

Nope: it was a trick question.

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"Progressives are intensely interested in reducing the size & power of large entities which overpower the liberty of individuals"

Big business, in other words. Simple: make government stop protecting & catering to 'em. Otherwise: leave 'em be.

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"we just disagree on what the primary threats are."

Actually, if you think on it, we aren't that far apart. You want corps and the like reduced in power and scope; so do I. Where we disagree: you want gov to regulate 'em; I want gov to stop -- as I say -- protecting & catering to 'em.

You'd monitor & micromanage 'em; I'd throw 'em into the wilderness to fend for themselves.

What we disagree on, then, is the proper role of American 'government'.

Agreed, on every point. You and I want the same things, for the same reasons. Just a different idea of what gets us there. I'd like to think that's a valuable lesson for American politics. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[henry quirk]

Many don't care, so we march toward war.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

I'd throw 'em into the wilderness to fend for themselves.

Where they would dump dioxin barrels in the woods.

Seriously. How old are you? Don't you remember the pollution in the 60s and 70s? The rivers that burned? The detergent in the rivers, making a crusty brown foam? Soot covering everything? The lead in the gasoline exhaust that everyone was breathing and the crime that resulted from all that brain damage? Cars without seat belts?

The big corporations literally don't give a shit about you or me except how they can make money off of us. The big government keeps them on a leash.

[henry quirk]

"Where they would dump dioxin barrels in the woods."

Covered all this before: that's what the court is for...lay your claim, make your case, win your compensation.

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"Seriously. How old are you?"

How stupid are you?

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"Don't you remember...?"

What I remember is folks like yourself inflating that which should remain small and harnessed into a vast regulatory nightmare. 'One is bad, all must pay' instead of 'punish the guilty and punish the guilty only'.

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"The big corporations literally don't give a shit about you or me except how they can make money off of us."

Exactly, and neither do the folks who are supposed to be our employees.

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"The big government keeps them on a leash."

No, largely the big government caters to them and protects them.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"The big government keeps them on a leash."

No, largely the big government caters to them and protects them.

This is precisely what informs my politics. I can't support parties/politicians who cater to corporate interests, so consequently, Progressives who are far to THE LEFT of the mainstream are the ONLY politicians I can support, in good conscience.

That's what solves the problem you're describing.

[henry quirk]

And that's fine, Flint.

Me: I think the solution is in the opposite direction.

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Glatt, I was harsh...you're not a moron or stupid, just naive.

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"If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?" F. Bastiat