Brigitte Bardot Fined for Inciting Racial Hatred

[lookout123]

On the flipside, I dare you to openly advocate that Bin Laden is right, Bush should die and america destroyed and wait and when they finish putting you in 'stress positions' along with a few other US citizens in the US prison camp in Cuba, outside the protection of your legal system so you can be held for as long as they see fit without trial, we'll discuss this again.

mm, great comparison. uh, no WTF are you smoking?

1) you do have the legal right to say that in america. you'll probably get the shit kicked out of you, but please, be my guest. stating that opinion is fine. to come out and say "i would like to kill bush" - now that may land you in an interview room.
2) last time i checked they aren't just picking americans off the street and throwing them in gitmo for voicing an opinion.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by lumberjim


to answer your question in more simple terms, YES. it IS fair.

My clarification was that I was asking the question as an example, not saying that *I* would actually do something like that, which is how your response sounded.

[wolf]

Just letting you know, the gubbermint is quite responsive to threats, even the seemingly noncredible ones.

The secret service guy has lately been joking with our secretary about the fact that any conversations she has with him have to occur from behind a plant of some kind ... yes, he's visiting that often.

[lookout123]

Originally posted by wolf
Just letting you know, the gubbermint is quite responsive to threats, even the seemingly noncredible ones.

i know, i had an aquaintance who got an interview after some stupid comments in a bar.

what i was pointing out is the difference between saying "bush should die" and "i want to kill bush" one is just a statement of opinion, the other can possibly land you in hot water because it is a statement of intent. both may get an interview - but one will gain much more attention from the powers that be.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by zippyt
Ok lady syc , i agree with you mostly , BUT why is it ok for a black person to call another black person the "N" word but let a white person say the same word and they are racist ???? Where is the fucking equality there ????

Zippy: the best explaination that I can give is that sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it. I'm sure that you have heard blacks say to each other, "Yo man, dat's my nigga!" It's said in a way that isn't offending the other person, and it's understood by the other person as such.

Now, if a white person says, "You damn dirty nigger!"...well, how is that going to be received? The same way that you received the word "cracker".

And YES it buges the fuck out of me to be called cracker by a black person for this same reason .

As well it should.

A few years back i was working in a plant that had a black superviser , he called all the black people by name , all the white people he called bubba . I said " ok rastis " , he got verry Irate . I told him my name is CHRIS NOT BUBBA !!!! We had to be seperated so we didn't kill each other .

Not trying to rile you up , just curious .

No problem, although I had made a promise to myself that I would stop trying to explain black behavior to whites, because it was getting to the point where I was banging my head against the wall with some of them. However, you asked nicely, and wanted to know. Thanks.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by marichiko
When my right to free speech means the right to incite hatred, one starts to walk a fine line. The trouble is who gets to define what "inciting hatred" consists of? Sure ethnic slurs would fall into that category, but what about someone who says "You white republicans" or "you black democrats"? One could easily make a case for outlawing statements like those as well if you are going to outlaw ethnic slurs or words which inspire hatred between the races. There we go down that slippery slope which ends with those in power censoring the words of those who are not.

However, in saying "you white Republicans" to a group of white Repubs isn't "hate" it's just stating a fact. Now, maybe if it was "you goddamned cracka Republicans"...that sounds hateful, and could possibly incite violence, etc.

As unpaletable as it may be, I'll accept your right to make racist statements, publish pornography (although I draw the line at kid and snuff porn, sorry), and make the "Anarchist's Cookbook" available in every public library because freedom of speech is one of the most valuable freedoms a person or a people can have. When the censors take over, the people have lost.

Gone...and forgotten:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Choose your words wisely."
"If you have nothing good to say...."

*sighs*

Originally posted by lookout123


i know, i had an aquaintance who got an interview after some stupid comments in a bar.

what i was pointing out is the difference between saying "bush should die" and "i want to kill bush" one is just a statement of opinion, the other can possibly land you in hot water because it is a statement of intent. both may get an interview - but one will gain much more attention from the powers that be.

Well, I'm still waiting for my interview (see my post above), but then I am kind of hard to find since I have 3 official addresses non of which is correct and my actual address in unfindable (I have to give friends detailed maps on how to get to my place). That's the nice thing about living in the mountains.

Its okay for members within any given group to insult one another, but very bad form for outsiders to do so. Its kind of like complaining about your family. I can say I hate my Mom, for example, but if someone else says my Mom is a bitch, I'll spring to her defense at once.

[DanaC]

Perhaps Zippyt if Lady Syc's great grandfather had had the right to own y our greatgrandfather.....Perhaps if most white faces around you belonged to the direct descendants of slaves brought to a far land by powerful and wealthy Black men ....If the worlds wealth was still primarily concentrated into the hands of a small number of black families.....If the vote was something denied to your grandparents by Lady Syc's grandparents.....If there were still states in the Union where the pallor of your skin would keep you from being employed in any job above the menial and if in the forward looking progressive states merely be a minor obstacle ......If the world was ruled by a black elite who decades earlier stilll held power in the heart of Europe with the much larger white population virtual slaves....

Perhaps if Zippyt had spent his childhood watching TV rank with racism against his kind when the only white faces he saw growing up belonged to criminals or clowns...

If he was still more likely to get stopped by police, more likely to die before 30 and less likely to get a fair hearing should he be accused.

If all that were the case, maybe "cracker" would carry the same sting as "nigger"

But all that isnt the case. What we have now is the legacy left us by earlier generations. The wounds they inflicted have only just begun to scar over and even now the disparity of power between black and white is extreme.

[wolf]

But what if Bardot's assessment were correct?

(just not politically correct)

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by DanaC
Perhaps Zippyt if Lady Syc's great grandfather had had the right to own y our greatgrandfather.....Perhaps if most white faces around you belonged to the direct descendants of slaves brought to a far land by powerful and wealthy Black men ....If the worlds wealth was still primarily concentrated into the hands of a small number of black families.....If the vote was something denied to your grandparents by Lady Syc's grandparents.....If there were still states in the Union where the pallor of your skin would keep you from being employed in any job above the menial and if in the forward looking progressive states merely be a minor obstacle ......If the world was ruled by a black elite who decades earlier stilll held power in the heart of Europe with the much larger white population virtual slaves....

Perhaps if Zippyt had spent his childhood watching TV rank with racism against his kind when the only white faces he saw growing up belonged to criminals or clowns...

If he was still more likely to get stopped by police, more likely to die before 30 and less likely to get a fair hearing should he be accused.

If all that were the case, maybe "cracker" would carry the same sting as "nigger"

But all that isnt the case. What we have now is the legacy left us by earlier generations. The wounds they inflicted have only just begun to scar over and even now the disparity of power between black and white is extreme.

*jaw drop*

Well stated! Couldn't snip a word!

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by ladysycamore


My clarification was that I was asking the question as an example, not saying that *I* would actually do something like that, which is how your response sounded.

well, thanks for clarifiying your clarification, then. I misunderstood.....twice......at ease, soldier.

[jaguar]

My point, made with hyperbole is there is not free speach in the US, or for that matter, anywhere else. There are things you can say anywhere which will land you in hot water and when you piss off the powers that be, the only thing your constitution for is toilet paper. If you think otherwise you are nieave in the extreme.

hadn't thought about it from that angle. i don't know if i'm ready to buy into it, but anything is possible.

Read the fucking article, it says quite clearly she was fined because her comments were offensive to muslims.

Wolf, that's not a shocking article but it's not wonderful either, in the end radicalism, which is be neo-nazi groups in Russia or fundie islamics in the ghettos of paris is caused by one thing - poverty and powerlessness, remove that, problem goes away, it's not that fucking hard people.

Oh and for the wankers who have harped on since fucking 9/11 about how islam and democartic governments can't exist, do some reasearch (yes, much harder than just wanking out another column off the top of your head I know) in hizbollah, that friendly bunch and their role in the democratic government in Lebanon.

Christ I'm in a shite mood today.

Originally posted by ladysycamore



Gone...and forgotten:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Choose your words wisely."
"If you have nothing good to say...."

*sighs*

Not sure of exactly what you're trying to get at here, Lady Syc. I am not advocating the use of racially hateful language or ethnic slurs. I think such words are an outrage to all that is human and humane in our society. A white man who shouts the "N" word out the car window to a black man he passes on the street is a Neanderthal and every such incident pulls our country down and makes me feel ashamed for the horrific history between black and white that is still being played out in the United States. I think that such comments are an outright abuse of our right to free speech. But should they be forbidden? As a concerned human being who is fully aware of the terrible harm that the war of white against black has done and continues to do in our country, I would answer "yes."

But as a citizen highly skeptical of the actual good will of the government towards the people it governs and as someone with a real fear of handing the governmet more power than it already has, I have to reluctantly grant that racist the right to speak as he pleases. I also have to say that if the black guy and one or two of his friends caught the guy who made the remark and gave him a few broken teeth, I'd cheerfully look the other way.

[lookout123]

Read the fucking article, it says quite clearly she was fined because her comments were offensive to muslims.

oh, and because it is in print then it must be the only explanation. calm the fuck down jag, your panties are just twisted a little too tight today. don't they have any valium, or better yet vicadin over there?

nobody said that WAS the reason for the fine, only that it may have played a role.

[jaguar]

The article clearly states why legal action was launched, there is no obvious ambiguity nor evidence thereof.