Evolutionary Science-v- Creationism

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Duplication is not adding new information. It's still the same info, just duplicated.

Until it mutates.

If I have cell A, B, C and D, and I duplicate C, I have A, B, C, C, and D. I don't have a gain of information. C was there to begin with. What I mean by gain of information is somehow getting an E from somewhere. That is what is required for the evolutionary theory to work (molecules to man).

The second C will mutate differently from the first C. So you start with ABCD, go to ABCCD, and then A'B'C'C"D'.

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Until it mutates.The second C will mutate differently from the first C. So you start with ABCD, go to ABCCD, and then A'B'C'C"D'.

Agreed. But that's not new information. That is mutation of the same information. Show me where we get an E and we'll talk about gain of information.

Having 3 legs is not the same as having 2 legs and wings.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Agreed. But that's not new information. That is mutation of the same information. Show me where we get an E and we'll talk about gain of information.

When C' and C" are eventually different enough, you can call one of them E.

[Torrere]

All theories face the same level of harsh judgement. If there isn't enough information given to prove one way, there isn't enough to prove the other way either.

There are, however, methods of evaluating which theories are more likely to be correct, such as Occam's Razor, checking for internal consistency, review by third parties (harsh judgement), and logic.

I'm not sure whether Onyx accepts building evidence out of pre-existing evidence by 'doing the math'.

[Troubleshooter]

I just downloaded one of his videos and I'll post a review when I'm done.

http://www.drdino.com/index.jsp

Welcome to DrDino.com
Welcome to Creation Science Evangelism. Here at CSE, our goal is to share the gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have not heard, and to strengthen your faith if you are already a believer. We do this by showing how Science actually gives glory to God by supporting the Biblical account of creation. Please enjoy our website as you learn, or shop in our online store.

[wolf]

I love this. It was in "Witnessing Tools"

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by wolf

I love this. It was in "Witnessing Tools"

Look here:

http://www.evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I just downloaded one of his videos and I'll post a review when I'm done.

http://www.drdino.com/index.jsp

Welcome to DrDino.com
Welcome to Creation Science Evangelism. Here at CSE, our goal is to share the gospel of Jesus Christ to those who have not heard, and to strengthen your faith if you are already a believer. We do this by showing how Science actually gives glory to God by supporting the Biblical account of creation. Please enjoy our website as you learn, or shop in our online store.

I've heard of him. He has some "controversial" theories that many creationist disagree with, and AiG and Kent Hovind have gone a few rounds. I'm one of the people that stands firmly on the AiG side, because they have actual scientists and reasearchers, and Kent Hovind has a questionable honorary doctorate, and was a high school teacher.

In addition, Kent Hovind should wear the tin-foil hat in public. He gets rather political with his "new world order" ideas. In short, he has some good stuff mixed in with alot of bad stuff, and makes it harder for proponents of the good stuff.

[OnyxCougar]

Federal judge rules evolution disclaimer stickers must be removed from Georgia, USA textbooks
U.S. District Judge, Clarence Cooper, ruled today (January 13) that the evolution disclaimer sticker placed in the front cover of some high-school biology textbooks in Cobb County, Georgia, USA, is unconstitutional and violates the so-called “separation between church and state.” As a result of the ruling, the sticker, which includes the following words, must be removed:

This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically considered.

In 2002, Cobb County (near Atlanta) adopted a policy to place disclaimer stickers in the front of high-school biology textbooks that present evolutionary ideas, but caution the readers that evolution is “not a fact, regarding the origin of living things.” That decision by the school district was challenged in U.S. federal court by six parents of Cobb students and the left-leaning American Civil Liberties Union, who argued that the sticker pushes creationism (note, however, that there is no mention of creationism or anything religious in the wording above) and discriminates against non-Christians and followers of a number of other religions.