Abortion Debate - Page 7

wolf · 01-11-2005, 04:20 PM

They are doing that in Truro, MA

Except they are not just retaining samples collected from crime scenes or from known offenders — in an attempt to solve a murder case, the police are seeking to take a DNA sample from all males in the town.

wolf · 01-11-2005, 07:40 PM

In other news, the VA Miscarriage Bill has been pulled.

Griff · 01-11-2005, 07:57 PM

“I’ve never been blogged before,” he said. “The tone of the e-mails has been disgusting. It’s, 'You’re a horrible person. You ought to be crucified.’ And those were the nice ones.”

Maybe you were never this big an a-hole before?

Cosgrove said his bill was intended to add more teeth to laws penalizing women who abandon full-term infants after birth.

It reads: “When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman’s responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery.” Women who failed to report the death could have been convicted of a Class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

[sarcasm]I'm sure most women who lose a baby immediately think, "Gee I'd better report myself to the police cuz I must be a criminal."[/sarcasm]

xoxoxoBruce · 01-11-2005, 08:26 PM

Well then, we took care of that. How about this AP story from Boston.com.

Quote:

KIEV, Ukraine -- Ukraine's youngest ever mother on record, an 11-year-old girl, has given birth to a healthy baby boy weighing 3.8 kilograms (8.4 pounds), a newspaper reported Thursday.
Surgeons at hospital No. 5 in the eastern city of Kharkiv delivered the infant by Caesarean section on Tuesday, the Fakty daily said, citing the unidentified mother's doctor, Valentyn Gryshchenko.
Both mother and son are in good health, but will remain in the hospital under observation for a week.
The family of the sixth-grader refused to stop the pregnancy and "put everything in the hands of fate," Gryshchenko was quoted as saying.
The boy is expected to live at home with his mother and grandmother.
The newborn's alleged father is a 26-year-old neighbor who fled fearing criminal charges when he learned of the girl's pregnancy, Fakty said. If convicted of having sexual relations with a minor, the father faces a maximum prison sentence of three years.

THREE YEARS!?!?!? WTF.

OnyxCougar · 01-12-2005, 09:58 AM

[bad accent]It's Russia. Vat do you expect?[/bad accent]

jinx · 01-12-2005, 10:08 AM

Yushchenko won, it's Ukraine not Russia.

OnyxCougar · 01-12-2005, 10:10 AM

My bad.

richlevy · 01-12-2005, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Well then, we took care of that. How about this AP story from Boston.com.

THREE YEARS!?!?!? WTF.

It's his fault for not waiting until she was twelve.

BTW, legally, you can get married at age 12 in Kansas, Massachusetts, and some other states without specific minimum ages. When Jerry Lee Lewis was 19 he married his 13 year old cousin.

I'm not going to comment until I know more about the customs of that part of the world. Personally, if the family insists on keeping the baby, and they want it to have a father, I think a special

wedding ceremony should be planned and the groom given a choice between supporting his child and an indefinite stay in whatever gulag is still running up there.

Happy Monkey · 02-08-2005, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf

In other news, the VA Miscarriage Bill has been pulled.

And popped back up in a watered-down form in Texas (Enter HR702). Happily, this version doesn't put the onus on the woman, but it does require the doctor to submit patient records to the government, even information on miscarriages the woman suffered prior to her visit to the doctor.

OnyxCougar · 02-08-2005, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie

Until the day that there is 100% infallable birth control, I am 100% pro choice. After that day, I'll re-evaluate my stance.

No, abstinance doesn't count. Rape still causes pregnancies.

A child should be a choice -- a positive one, not a negative one!

- Pie

You know, I was reading this thread again, and even when there is 100% infallible birth control, unless the person uses it 100% of the time, it's not effective.

elf · 02-08-2005, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

You know, I was reading this thread again, and even when there is 100% infallible birth control, unless the person uses it 100% of the time, it's not effective.

100% infalliable birth control would have to be not only perfectly effective, but as acceptable, accessable, and inexpensive as Tylenol. And you'd only have to take it one time, until the point in time when you wish to conceive - then you take a just-as-effective antidote.

If only. . .

Undertoad · 02-08-2005, 11:15 AM

The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

elf · 02-08-2005, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

Truth.

Now, just make it as easy to get (and as accepted) as Tylenol, we're good.

Progress is being made... we'll get there.

jinx · 02-08-2005, 12:09 PM

Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion.

jaguar · 02-08-2005, 12:16 PM

When are they coming out with the male version already? Keep hearing about it, it's starting to rival Duke Nukem Forever for vapourware.

01-11-2005, 04:20 PM	#91
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	They are doing that in Truro, MA Except they are not just retaining samples collected from crime scenes or from known offenders — in an attempt to solve a murder case, the police are seeking to take a DNA sample from all males in the town. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-11-2005, 07:40 PM	#92
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	In other news, the VA Miscarriage Bill has been pulled. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-11-2005, 07:57 PM	#93
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	“I’ve never been blogged before,” he said. “The tone of the e-mails has been disgusting. It’s, 'You’re a horrible person. You ought to be crucified.’ And those were the nice ones.” Maybe you were never this big an a-hole before? Cosgrove said his bill was intended to add more teeth to laws penalizing women who abandon full-term infants after birth. It reads: “When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman’s responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery.” Women who failed to report the death could have been convicted of a Class 1 misdemeanor, which carries a maximum penalty of 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. [sarcasm]I'm sure most women who lose a baby immediately think, "Gee I'd better report myself to the police cuz I must be a criminal."[/sarcasm] __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

01-12-2005, 09:58 AM	#95
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	[bad accent]It's Russia. Vat do you expect?[/bad accent] __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

01-12-2005, 10:08 AM	#96
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Yushchenko won, it's Ukraine not Russia. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

01-12-2005, 10:10 AM	#97
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	My bad. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

02-08-2005, 11:15 AM	#102
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The five-year under-the-skin Norplant gets pretty close.

02-08-2005, 12:09 PM	#104
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Does Norplant give you cancer after a few years like bc pills? Call me immoral all you want, I'd rather have an abortion. __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

02-08-2005, 12:16 PM	#105
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	When are they coming out with the male version already? Keep hearing about it, it's starting to rival Duke Nukem Forever for vapourware. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

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