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[lookout123]

Mrnoodle, i would contend that Foxnews IS blatantly right wing. that is reality, not just an insult thrown by liberals. they have grown more so over the last 24 months. sean hannity is their darling and he is a freaking joke - even limbaugh has more credibility than hannity. O'Reiley is slightly better, but they both use the same tactics. they are fair and balanced because they allow liberals on their shows. but then they shout them down in an attempt to make the liberal look weak, IMO making themselves look like asses.

watch foxnews(i do sometimes), but don't allow yourself to believe even for one moment that they are fair and balanced. fox is just as biased as CNN and the rest of the alphabet.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Mrnoodle, i would contend that Foxnews IS blatantly right wing. that is reality, not just an insult thrown by liberals. they have grown more so over the last 24 months. sean hannity is their darling and he is a freaking joke - even limbaugh has more credibility than hannity. O'Reiley is slightly better, but they both use the same tactics. they are fair and balanced because they allow liberals on their shows. but then they shout them down in an attempt to make the liberal look weak, IMO making themselves look like asses.

watch foxnews(i do sometimes), but don't allow yourself to believe even for one moment that they are fair and balanced. fox is just as biased as CNN and the rest of the alphabet.

Fox is biased, yes. But Fox's bias is seen as a Very Bad Thing, while 40 years of leftist media bias is, what, negligible? Can't find the word I'm looking for. Fox stands out as some kind of propoganda machine because we've been so trained to accept the ABCBSNBCNNMSNBC blather that all Republicans want to be our evil overlords, starve our children and seniors, blah blah blah.

Fox's conservative slant IS equal time, to parrot a Limbaughism.

And Hannity is a commentator, not a reporter or anchor. He is packaged and sold with no pretense as a rightwinger. That's his schtick. Why is it so horrible for him and so noble for say, Al Franken?


HM -- Al's screaming fits about Bush are widely documented and easy to find. You have me on the Dean scream -- I wasn't aware there had been doctoring of the audio. But his rhetoric since becoming DNC chairman is no less hateful and untrue for its low volume.

[lookout123]

Why is it so horrible for him and so noble for say, Al Franken?

definitely not noble. franken is a fuckstick. so is randi rhodes or whatever that ridiculous biaaatch's name is. about the only one on air america that makes any sense at all is Charles Goyette (he may only be regional at this point) and even he has left his libertarian roots to become a stark raving lunatic in the name of ratings since switching to air america.

liberal media bias is obviously there. it is also obviously no more acceptable than the right wing bias found on fox. i was simply making a point that fox is just as biased as the rest.

and as far as EQUAL time? i don't want equal time - i want responsible journalism from people who report the facts of the story without spin and who at all costs refuse to become part of the story.

[mrnoodle]

Originally Posted by lookout123

and as far as EQUAL time? i don't want equal time - i want responsible journalism from people who report the facts of the story without spin and who at all costs refuse to become part of the story.

The very idea of this gives me a woody. But the tune was called many many years ago and all we can do now is dance to it. Eventually someone will make a serious stab at doing what you suggest, but I'm afraid they won't be able to drown out the trash peddlers.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

But his rhetoric since becoming DNC chairman is no less hateful and untrue for its low volume.

What was untrue?

[lookout123]

republicans are all rich and have never worked an honest job in their lives seems a bit far fetched to me. i'm not searching for the quote, but i did hear myself - and he was speaking about why bush won. reps don't work so they have time to go to the polls. dems work hard so couldn't make it the polls. it is just class warfare at its lowest.

the republican politicians, sure - but no more so than democrat pols.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by lookout123

the republican politicians, sure - but no more so than democrat pols.

To be fair, he said "a lot of" Republicans, not all, and it was primarily the Republicans who vehemently opposed efforts to make voting easier and more convenient. And it was Republicans who reallocated voting machines in Ohio to create the 8 hour lines. And it was again Republicans who tried to turn people away from the polls who had been waiting in line for hours when the polling time ended. Dean's quote could certainly be read as applying to rank and file Republicans, but it was obviously not aimed at them.