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Old 03-02-2006, 07:22 PM   #1
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From the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on 1 Mar 2006:
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Poll finds that most U.S. troops are in favor of withdrawal
Nearly 3 out of 4 U.S. troops serving in Iraq think U.S. forces should withdraw within a year, and more than 1 in 4 say the United States should leave immediately, according to a new poll published Tuesday.

The poll, conducted by Zogby International and the Center for Peace and Global Studies at Le Moyne College in Syracuse, N.Y., was a rare effort to determine the views of U.S. troops serving in a ground war.

Of those surveyed, 29 percent said U.S. forces should leave Iraq immediately, 22 percent said they should leave within six months and 21 percent said within six to 12 months. Twenty-three percent agreed with President Bush's call for troops to stay "as long as they are needed" and 5 percent were unsure.

David Segal, a military sociologist at the University of Maryland, said that although most service members are more conservative than society as a whole, it wasn't surprising to see them reflect attitudes similar to civilians, who increasingly oppose the war. ...

The survey was conducted without the Pentagon's permission.
So when do we start going after bin Laden?
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Old 03-07-2006, 12:45 AM   #2
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From the NY Times of 7 Mar 2006 is a report that only repeats what every decent American has long known. Only enlisted men buy dog collars to torture prisoners. General Miller types don't institute torture first in Guantanamo, and then in two cell blocks in Abu Ghraid:
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Amnesty Report on 14,000 Finds Prisoner Abuse Continues in Iraq
Amnesty International accused the United States and its allies on Monday of committing widespread abuses in Iraq, including torture and the continued detention of thousands of prisoners without charge or trial. ...

In its report, "Beyond Abu Ghraib: Detention and Torture in Iraq," Amnesty International also said the level of abuse by Iraqi forces since the transfer of power in June 2004 was increasing .

The United States and its allies, the report said, have "established procedures which deprive detainees of human rights guaranteed in international law and standards."
US routinely condones torture and outright violations of basic human rights. Nothing new here.
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At the end of November 2005, the report said, quoting coalition figures, more than 14,000 prisoners were held in Iraq
We can trust George Jr to be honest - to claim these are only criminals. After all, would god's chosen president lie to us? Just look at the videotape of Katrina.

Good thing the abuse is increasing. Otherwise Americans might be at greater risk.

Ironic that N Korea kidnapped citizens from other countries and America stays silent. Instead we name it to make it legal: rendition. No nation does this more rendition than America. And nobody expected the Spanish Inquistion. Once upon a time, that was a joke. Then god selected America's president.

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Old 03-10-2006, 12:39 AM   #3
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From the BBC of 10 Mar 2006:
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Doctors attack US over Guantanamo
More than 250 medical experts have signed a letter condemning the US for force-feeding prisoners on hunger strike at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The doctors said physicians at the military prison had to respect inmates' right to refuse treatment.

The letter, in the medical journal, the Lancet, said doctors who used restraints and force-feeding should be punished by their professional bodies.
Let's see. The citizens of Oregon voted for euthanasia. But big brother - fringe extremist whose religion knows what is better for Oregon - decided that Oregaonians are too stupid to authorize euthenasia. Even the Supreme Court chastised a mental midget administration for dictatorial actions. Ironic these same dictators approve of and promote torture. So now victims of another Spanish Inquisition want to die. Again, only George Jr - champion mental midget - knows that is wrong.

When did god so hate you and me to give us George Jr? What is wrong with this logic? Well, it assumes god exists. Only satan would give us George Jr - the worst president since ... well Nixon was only a crook.
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The open letter in the Lancet was signed by more than 250 top doctors from seven countries - the UK, the US, Ireland, Germany, Australia, Italy and the Netherlands.
Those prisioners may be fed by pushing tubes up their noses.
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Dr David Nicholl, a UK neurologist ... told the Reuters news agency the allegations of force-feeding represented "a challenge" to the American Medical Association, which is a signatory to the World Medical Association's code of conduct.

"Are they going to obey those declarations [forbidding force-feeding], or are... [they] literally not worth the paper they are written on?" he asked.

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Old 03-10-2006, 02:13 AM   #4
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As long time Cellar Dwellers read here, Brent Scowcroft, adviser to and close friend of George Sr, worried long about a potential for Civil War in Iraq. Most back then who read that here probably totally discounted it. Scowcroft was also one of the few among Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfovitz (they initially opposed the rescue) who correctly identified the invasion of Kuwait as a smoking gun. Scowcroft was noted by this author because he tends to see reality. Most readers probably discounted his warnings.

George Jr insists we were winning some fictitious war on terror. Now even George Jr's Sec of Defense is answering what we will do if and when an impending Civil War breaks out.

Another in a long list of citations of facts and reality, ABC News of 10 Mar 2006:
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Rumsfeld: Iraqis Would Deal With Civil War
Dealing with a civil war in Iraq would be the responsibility of Iraq's own security forces, at least initially, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress on Thursday.

Testifying alongside senior military leaders and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Rumsfeld said he did not believe Iraq would descend into all-out civil war, though he acknowledged that sectarian strife had worsened.
So Iraqis will deal with a Civil War that is not happening. How can this be? The president said we were winning the "Mission Accomplished" war. A latest Defense Department assessment puts the number of independently operating Iraqi battalions from one down to zero. So how will Iraqi troops alone quell a Civil War? Deja Vue Vietnam.
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Gen. John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, said the situation in Iraq had evolved to the point where Sunni-Shiite violence was more of a threat to U.S. success there than the insurgency, ...
So an insurgency that was growing by hundreds of percents every year is not as much a threat? Clearly America is winning this "Misson Accomplished" war while threatening to attack Iran.

Someone please show us sanity in any of this. Oh.. This was god's chosen government. And nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition - except this author how many years ago? Yes I am pissed at how our leaders and so many citizens have so much contempt for America and her principles. Clearly we are not torturing people. That would not be Christian .... extremist.
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Rumsfeld previously had been reluctant to say what the U.S. military would do in the event of civil war, but in an appearance before the Senate Appropriations Committee he was pressed on the matter by Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.

"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent one were to occur, to have the from a security standpoint have the Iraqi security forces deal with it, to the extent they are able to," Rumsfeld told the committee.
Silly me. The solution was so obvious. Deny it will happen.
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Old 03-11-2006, 12:14 AM   #5
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From USA Today of 9 Mar 2006:
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Madrid train bombings probe finds no al-Qaeda link
A two-year probe into the Madrid train bombings concludes the Islamic terrorists who carried out the blasts were homegrown radicals acting on their own rather than at the behest of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, two senior intelligence officials said.

Spain still remains home to a web of radical Algerian, Moroccan and Syrian groups bent on carrying out attacks — and aiding the insurgency against U.S. troops in Iraq — a Spanish intelligence chief and a Western official intimately involved in counterterrorism measures in Spain told The Associated Press.

The intelligence chief said there were no phone calls between the Madrid bombers and al-Qaeda and no money transfers. The Western official said the plotters had links to other Islamic radicals in Western Europe, but the plan was hatched and organized in Spain. "This was not an al-Qaeda operation," he said. "It was homegrown."
What was the bombing of London? Homegrown. What were attacks in Indonesia? Homegrown. Or more accurately, inspired by a George Jr crusade called "War to create Terror".

How can this be? George Jr told us these are all Al Qaeda. The president would not lie. Clearly this Spanish investigator must read too much propaganda from tw.

Welcome to a lawn of dandelions - a concept called Muslim Brotherhood. What George Jr calls a cohesive, nefarious, and ever scheming Al Qaeda. Lurking in every shadow to kill us all.

Or maybe it’s really called "War to Create Terror". Funny how every orange alert arrived just in time to avert a George Jr drop in the polls.

Welcome to a concept better known as Muslim Brotherhood – and not to be confused with an Egyptian political party of same name.

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Old 03-11-2006, 12:50 AM   #6
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Another example of what happens when hype and fear are promoted excessively. Just another reason why we are suppose to gain experience and therefore intelligence by learning from history. From ABC News of 11 Mar 2006:
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DOJ Faults FBI for Fingerprinting Error
"Among other things, the examiners applied circular reasoning, allowing details visible in Mayfield's known prints to suggest features in the murky or ambiguous details … that were not really there," the report by the department's internal watchdog said.
Mayfield is a lawyer in Oregon who was accused of handling explosives in Madrid. He was locked up without judicial review or even lawyer representation for two weeks due to more hype and fear - the Patriot Act. They even confiscated his child's Spanish homework as communicatons with Madrid conspirators. It took weeks just to get someone to translate that Spanish homework - to learn what these messages really said. No, this is not a 21st Century Keystone Cops story. They were that incompentant and that hyped on some mythical Al Qaeda fears. Fears made worse when no evidence of Al Qaeda could be found.

Somehow George Jr knows Al Qaeda is lurking everywhere. Thererfore we even 'Pearl Harbor' some one only because they might be a threat. Meanwhile all those missile attacks on Al Jazzera offices in so many countries - those too were only accidents?

70% of America really should admit to being fools for letting a mental midget hype so much hype and fear - the "War to create Terror" - the Mission Accomplished war - an axis of evil - and a George Jr who does not even read his PDBs yet somehow knows that levees would not be breached. How does a politician so corrupt and with such low intelligence promote so much fear and hate? Another lesson taught in history. He was called Adolph Hitler. Hilter also promoted these emotions. Hitler also had his Rush Limbaughs to hype those fears.

Meanwhile an Oregon man sits for weeks in jail while denied his constitutional rights. This is acceptable? Do we say, "Don't worry. Be happy."? Or do we go after the extremists among us who so hate America as to encourage that hype and fear - even promote a myth called Al Qaeda.

Remember more lessons of history. Extremists are often so dumb that one could not even give himself a hot foot on an airliner. Hype from extremist rhetoric would even pervert a simple and well understood task called fingerprinting.
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Old 03-11-2006, 01:35 AM   #7
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I was shocked when so many here advocated the destruction of world stability - pre-emption. These testosterone thinkers maintained we must attack them before they attack us. Well thank you for undermining everything America stood for in 50 years. It was a well proven concept called containment. Its principles included a Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty that George Jr wants to gut. The Economist magazine is blunt about this in a 9 Mar 2006 issued entitled Dr Strangedeal:
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Congress should veto George Bush's nuclear agreement with India
Now that George Jr has declared "Pearl Harbor" diplomacy is good, countries that don't build nuclear weapons and other WMDs would be wrong. This is necessary when pre-emption is the new world order.

Worse, George Jr has decided to reward nations for not entering into a Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. India can remain out of that treaty - can market nuclear bomb technology throughout the world - and receive nuclear technology from America. That guts the entire non-proliferation treaty. Only a mental midget would have negotiated that deal. Why stop. He did as even the foreign ministre of Norway predicted - he even killed the Oslo Accords.

Turkey now needs nuclear weapons - obviously. First, George Jr will reward nations for building nuclear weapons. Second, George Jr's "Pearl Harbor" diplomacy - also called preemption - means other nations must build bombs. Turkey must defend itself. This is what the neo-cons and their pre-emption have created. The IAEA is very concerned of Turkey's new and necessary political needs. Turkey needs the bomb because Project for a New American Century has promoted pre-emption and has promoted a mental midget president who even undermines the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.

George Jr started his first threats of war on Iran. Did you think I made this stuff up so long ago when I predicted the United States was preparing for an Iran attack? Katrina may have saved the world by showing other mental midgets - George Jr supporter - how dumb this president really is -that lying is what George Jr does.

George Jr is that dangerous, that fringe religous neo-con, and that stupid as to even reward India for going nuclear. Turkey has no choice but to go nuclear. Only a mental midget could deny it.

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