Immigration

[xoxoxoBruce]

TW, stop telling me illegal immigrants are my, as an American, fault. That's bullshit.
So they live in a hellhole and want a better life. So what? That doesn't give them the right to break our laws no matter how many employers aid and abet them.
They are poor because they can't sell their sugar here? That's not my problem, it's theirs and I'm not responsible for the betterment of any other country.
I have enough trouble with the MBAs giving this one away.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

TW, stop telling me illegal immigrants are my, as an American, fault. That's bullshit.
So they live in a hellhole and want a better life. So what? That doesn't give them the right to break our laws no matter how many employers aid and abet them.
They are poor because they can't sell their sugar here? That's not my problem, it's theirs and I'm not responsible for the betterment of any other country.
I have enough trouble with the MBAs giving this one away.

They cannot sell their sugar because our politicians created that problem. Bullshit is not answering the question: why did virtually the entire world walk out three days early in Cancun blaming the US for unfair trading? Why did they complain that we – using corporate welfare - make many agricultural jobs virtually impossible in Central and South American and Africa? It is their fault that American taxpayers subsidized sugar by 50%. It is their fault that the world's most productive producers of methanol cannot sell to the US? Oh. It’s not our fault that we should freely enrich the rich - at the expense of other nations?

When you are ready to stop denying the Doha round of GAAT, and then we are ready to discuss what has and has not created illegal immigration. They don't live in a hellhole. They live in what could be some of the world’s most productive region for sugar, cotton, methanol, corn, et al ... if America went back to being a free trade nation.

Did they dump sugar on world markets at prices lower than it costs to produce? No. America does that. We do that to enrich selective campaign fund contributors. And no, it is not your problem if you are the rich subsidized agricultural business executive being paid by the US government to pervert world sugar prices. But if you define why a hellhole exists in what could be productive nations, then tell us why virtually all nations pointed at the US in Cancun? Obviously they must be mistaken. Those involved in world agricultural trade point fingers at the problem makers – US and France.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

They cannot sell their sugar because our politicians created that problem. Bullshit is not answering the question: why did virtually the entire world walk out three days early in Cancun blaming the US for unfair trading? Why did they complain that we – using corporate welfare - make many agricultural jobs virtually impossible in Central and South American and Africa?

Who the fuck cares? If you're so concerned about fair trade then be concerned about China, Japan, et al. Why is it us that has to be fair and not the others? Do you think sending jobs to Mexico because they are free to pollute with abandon, and treat employees like shit,
fair trade?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Who the fuck cares? If you're so concerned about fair trade then be concerned about China, Japan, et al. Why is it us that has to be fair and not the others?

Maybe because the nations who are accused by virtually then entire world of unfair trading also have immigration problems? You don't see the world complaining so much about Japan or China.

Are you assuming that China and Japan are unfair traders? Fine. Why are those nations not subverting the Doha round of GATT?

60 Minutes last night had but another example of the myopia when we complain about the illegals. Federal agents were invited into Nebraska to sweep illegals from meat processing plants. Federal sweep was so successful that the region suffered a massive economic downturn. The Feds were strongly invited to leave so that the illegals would come back.

Of course, that is but another job just as easily performed outside the US. Just another job that we need illegal immigrants for - or a job that needs the US to eliminate another reason for the problem - immigrant quotas. Nebraska simply learned illegal immigrants are not the problem so many hype them to be. The real problem is in the American laws - that create an illegal immigrant problem.

The latest damning example being ethanol. We suddenly want lots of ethanol. And who pioneered the technology? Who has plenty of ethanol to sell? Brazil. So what do we do? Pass laws that put a 54% tariff on Brazil ethanol. It this action based in intelligence - or just the rich manipulating laws for their own purpose - and creating more need for illegal immigrants.

Bruce – as soon as I hear reasons from political hypsters being used, then t I doubt. By doubting absolute nonsense (such as terrorists massing at that border), then discovered is this major reason for an illegal immigration problem. US – with or without periods in that word.