The Soul of Man Under Socialism - Page 4

Aliantha · 03-11-2007, 06:17 PM

Why not start listing what might be considered natural rights?

I'll start off with one.

The right to breath as deeply and as often as one likes.

03-11-2007, 06:28 PM

The right to the fruit of our labor & to pass it to our progeny.

Ibby · 03-11-2007, 08:16 PM

You really don't seem to understand anarcho/libertarian socialism at all, rkzenrage.

Totalitarian socialism is 'you worked, now give it to us and we might give you some back'

Anarchosocialism is 'you worked, now keep what you want/need and if you can find the slightest bit of empathy somewhere in your heart give away what you dont need to those who need it.'

Clodfobble · 03-11-2007, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

Anarchosocialism is 'you worked, now keep what you want/need and if you can find the slightest bit of empathy somewhere in your heart give away what you dont need to those who need it.'

But you realize this is the exact opposite of what Wilde was writing about here, right? He goes on about how awful it is to have to live your life for someone else (i.e., to have empathy and choose to take care of the less fortunate) and would rather it was mandatory so he wouldn't have to think about it.

03-12-2007, 12:35 AM

I do believe in giving to others and sharing a portion of what I have.
That portion must be pre-set in advance, cannot be changed at random and must not be on income, but only what you physically own alone so you cannot be double taxed on the same amount.
Also, the amount taxed must be voted on by the people, not the leaders and I believe in a fixed percentage only.

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 12:45 AM

geez I thought it'd take at least a few more posts to get to tax.

What about the right to live free of oppression?

03-12-2007, 12:55 AM

What oppression? Where does that come in?
Make that one of yours... but you have to define oppression. Is a tax oppression? Is hearing another's free speech oppression? Is having to work for your own food if you are lazy oppression?

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 12:56 AM

It means people have a natural right to live free of oppression. That is slavery or servitude etc. People have the right to be free.

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 12:59 AM

I've been having a think about the tax thing. I guess if we're talking about the natural rights of people, I wouldn't suggest they have a natural right to be taxed. It wouldn't be desirable.

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 01:00 AM

natural rights are intangible in the main part aren't they?

03-12-2007, 01:03 AM

I would not say that.
I feel that there are some inalienable rights, if you believe in freedom.

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 01:03 AM

such as?

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 01:04 AM

stop editing your posts right after you post them. lol

03-12-2007, 01:38 AM

Best time to edit them... when they are soft and fresh.

Aliantha · 03-12-2007, 01:39 AM

lol...if you say so. That post sounded kind of gross...in an intangible sort of way.

03-11-2007, 06:17 PM	#46
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Why not start listing what might be considered natural rights? I'll start off with one. The right to breath as deeply and as often as one likes. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-11-2007, 08:16 PM	#48
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	You really don't seem to understand anarcho/libertarian socialism at all, rkzenrage. Totalitarian socialism is 'you worked, now give it to us and we might give you some back' Anarchosocialism is 'you worked, now keep what you want/need and if you can find the slightest bit of empathy somewhere in your heart give away what you dont need to those who need it.' __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

03-12-2007, 12:45 AM	#51
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	geez I thought it'd take at least a few more posts to get to tax. What about the right to live free of oppression? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-12-2007, 12:56 AM	#53
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It means people have a natural right to live free of oppression. That is slavery or servitude etc. People have the right to be free. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-12-2007, 12:59 AM	#54
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I've been having a think about the tax thing. I guess if we're talking about the natural rights of people, I wouldn't suggest they have a natural right to be taxed. It wouldn't be desirable. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-11-2007, 06:28 PM	#47
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	The right to the fruit of our labor & to pass it to our progeny.

03-12-2007, 12:35 AM	#50
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I do believe in giving to others and sharing a portion of what I have. That portion must be pre-set in advance, cannot be changed at random and must not be on income, but only what you physically own alone so you cannot be double taxed on the same amount. Also, the amount taxed must be voted on by the people, not the leaders and I believe in a fixed percentage only.

03-12-2007, 12:55 AM	#52
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	What oppression? Where does that come in? Make that one of yours... but you have to define oppression. Is a tax oppression? Is hearing another's free speech oppression? Is having to work for your own food if you are lazy oppression?

03-12-2007, 01:00 AM	#55
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	natural rights are intangible in the main part aren't they? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-12-2007, 01:03 AM	#56
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I would not say that. I feel that there are some inalienable rights, if you believe in freedom.

03-12-2007, 01:03 AM	#57
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	such as? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-12-2007, 01:04 AM	#58
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	stop editing your posts right after you post them. lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

03-12-2007, 01:38 AM	#59
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Best time to edit them... when they are soft and fresh.

03-12-2007, 01:39 AM	#60
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol...if you say so. That post sounded kind of gross...in an intangible sort of way. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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