Gun thread must die!

[monster]

Grief, peeps, it was JMHO as stated in the OP. Y'all said you disagreed, I said fine, what's with all the bitching?

...But to suggest I was wrong for commenting ...well that's just wrong. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Simple, no? As for comments on other threads ....remind me (or you) what Cellar Meta Forum is about?

[Aliantha]

OK...you're all wrong! I'm the only one around here that's right. Just ask...

well...

me.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Ibram

My only question is, what is it about guns that make perfectly reasonable people into complete ASSholes?

I become a complete asshole in a gun thread because I treat people as they treat me. In the “do you own a gun?” thread, Clodfobble and I had a civil discussion – we disagreed without name-calling or insults. I acknowledged that she was right and I was wrong when she pointed out that I would try to change the minds of the jungle tribe that sacrifices children. We didn’t change each other’s minds, but we remained civil. I think that most pro-gunners view anti-gun people as being weak – they think we’ll run away from a nasty attack. I won’t.

People who would use a handgun on another human being are inherently aggressive. They have to be, since the intention of having a handgun is, at its most extreme conclusion, to kill someone who threatens them, someone near them, or their stuff. They also have to be inherently paranoid, because they live their lives with the anticipation that something bad will happen to them. So why do they turn into Assholes? Because they don’t want to admit that they’re scared, or that they would actually take someone’s life. Beyond those reasons, it’s hard to defend having a handgun. And when their other rationalizations fail, they resort to what they naturally do – they shoot the opposition with names, instead of bullets. They insult, belittle and ridicule their opponents, like pointing a handgun at them. When you are pointing a handgun at someone, you don’t have to talk anything out, do you?

Most handgun-owning Cellarites justify owning a handgun by saying they need it to protect themselves, and their stuff, in their home. Some have other reasons, some won’t state their reasons, but predominately, that’s the justification. A handgun is not the most effective way to protect a home or stuff. [Someone] scoffed at floodlights and bars on the windows, but when they’re used with alarms and good locks, they will keep her safer from a potential intruder than having a handgun inside the house. If you don’t secure your perimeter, you could be woken out of a sound sleep being poked with the barrel of a gun. How would your handgun help in that situation? If you answer your door, and the intruder pushes through and beats your brains in as you try to get to your handgun, how did it help? If you answer the door with your handgun in your hand, loaded, with the safety off, or sleep with it in the same condition, under your pillow, bad things can happen. It would be easy to accidentally discharge the weapon, or for a child to get hold of it, with all the negative consequences of that, or for the intruder to get possession of it and use it on the owner or the owner’s family.

[jinx]

I also told you to piss off when you PM'd me just to call me a dick becuase you apparently weren't fighting with enough people already. You're not debating spex, you're being a troll, and you're not worth my time.

[HungLikeJesus]

Originally Posted by monster

Grief, peeps, it was JMHO as stated in the OP. Y'all said you disagreed, I said fine, what's with all the bitching?

...But to suggest I was wrong for commenting ...well that's just wrong. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine. Simple, no? As for comments on other threads ....remind me (or you) what Cellar Meta Forum is about?

monster - maybe we need a "Gun thread must die! thread must die!!" thread?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by jinx

I also told you to piss off when you PM'd me just to call me a dick becuase you apparently weren't fighting with enough people already. You're not debating spex, you're being a troll, and you're not worth my time.

I did not call you a dick. Stop lying.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by jinx

Sometimes people need to argue

Problem is that some folks don't know how to handle it when someone disagrees with them. Inability to separate the ego from the opinion. Any disagreement is seen as a personal attack.

Gotta pick and choose with whom and over what.

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I become a complete asshole in a gun thread because I treat people as they treat me. In the “do you own a gun?” thread, Clodfobble and I had a civil discussion – we disagreed without name-calling or insults. I acknowledged that she was right and I was wrong when she pointed out that I would try to change the minds of the jungle tribe that sacrifices children. We didn’t change each other’s minds, but we remained civil. I think that most pro-gunners view anti-gun people as being weak – they think we’ll run away from a nasty attack. I won’t.

People who would use a handgun on another human being are inherently aggressive. They have to be, since the intention of having a handgun is, at its most extreme conclusion, to kill someone who threatens them, someone near them, or their stuff. They also have to be inherently paranoid, because they live their lives with the anticipation that something bad will happen to them. So why do they turn into Assholes? Because they don’t want to admit that they’re scared, or that they would actually take someone’s life. Beyond those reasons, it’s hard to defend having a handgun. And when their other rationalizations fail, they resort to what they naturally do – they shoot the opposition with names, instead of bullets. They insult, belittle and ridicule their opponents, like pointing a handgun at them. When you are pointing a handgun at someone, you don’t have to talk anything out, do you?

Most handgun-owning Cellarites justify owning a handgun by saying they need it to protect themselves, and their stuff, in their home. Some have other reasons, some won’t state their reasons, but predominately, that’s the justification. A handgun is not the most effective way to protect a home or stuff. [Someone] scoffed at floodlights and bars on the windows, but when they’re used with alarms and good locks, they will keep her safer from a potential intruder than having a handgun inside the house. If you don’t secure your perimeter, you could be woken out of a sound sleep being poked with the barrel of a gun. How would your handgun help in that situation? If you answer your door, and the intruder pushes through and beats your brains in as you try to get to your handgun, how did it help? If you answer the door with your handgun in your hand, loaded, with the safety off, or sleep with it in the same condition, under your pillow, bad things can happen. It would be easy to accidentally discharge the weapon, or for a child to get hold of it, with all the negative consequences of that, or for the intruder to get possession of it and use it on the owner or the owner’s family.

I never insulted you nor implied insult or weakness on your part. What you said to me was out of left-field and undeserved. I could care less if you dislike me. If you dislike me, ignore me, just don't respond to my posts. There is no call for insulting me, or anyone else, for no reason. It is just a discussion, nothing more.
Then you go off and apologize to everyone except me, the person who never insulted you, now you act like you had a reason for freaking out? Cute.

Many people own handguns to target practice, as collectibles, as art, as heirlooms... you make assumptions.
Handguns are not perfect, but they are better than not having one. People keep saying it, you keep choosing not to read it.
But, if you believe all of that, cool... don't buy one.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

People who would use a handgun on another human being are inherently aggressive.

Bullshit. Cite.

They have to be, since the intention of having a handgun is, at its most extreme conclusion, to kill someone who threatens them, someone near them, or their stuff.

Bullshit. Cite.

They also have to be inherently paranoid, because they live their lives with the anticipation that something bad will happen to them.

Bullshit. Cite.

So why do they turn into Assholes? Because they don’t want to admit that they’re scared, or that they would actually take someone’s life.

Bullshit. Cite.

Beyond those reasons, it’s hard to defend having a handgun.

Bullshit. Cite.

And when their other rationalizations fail, they resort to what they naturally do – they shoot the opposition with names, instead of bullets. They insult, belittle and ridicule their opponents, like pointing a handgun at them. When you are pointing a handgun at someone, you don’t have to talk anything out, do you?

Bullshit. You just made six blanket accusations of everyone that owns a handgun. Six condemnations, of millions of people, that you pulled out of your ass. Six opinions that you try to pass off as facts, with nothing to remotely back it up. That makes you a liar.

Most handgun-owning Cellarites justify owning a handgun by saying they need it to protect themselves, and their stuff, in their home. Some have other reasons, some won’t state their reasons, but predominately, that’s the justification. A handgun is not the most effective way to protect a home or stuff. [Someone] scoffed at floodlights and bars on the windows, but when they’re used with alarms and good locks, they will keep her safer from a potential intruder than having a handgun inside the house.

I suggest you talk to your local Fire Marshal before encouraging people to put their lives in danger.

If you don’t secure your perimeter, you could be woken out of a sound sleep being poked with the barrel of a gun. How would your handgun help in that situation? If you answer your door, and the intruder pushes through and beats your brains in as you try to get to your handgun, how did it help? If you answer the door with your handgun in your hand, loaded, with the safety off, or sleep with it in the same condition, under your pillow, bad things can happen. It would be easy to accidentally discharge the weapon, or for a child to get hold of it, with all the negative consequences of that, or for the intruder to get possession of it and use it on the owner or the owner’s family.

You should write children's books. They don't care if you don't know what your talking about and will overlook glaring misinformation and outright lies. They live in the same fantasy world you do.

[Spexxvet]

Solely my opinion - and I'm tired of having to explain things to you.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I never insulted you nor implied insult or weakness on your part. What you said to me was out of left-field and undeserved. ...

You're right. I re-read the thread, and my response to your post was much harsher than you deserved. Please accept my sincere apology.

I do, thank you.

[Undertoad]

Explain it to me then... I'd write the same damn things as xoB.

Nothing quite so shameful as prejudice the holder is proud of.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Explain it to me then... I'd write the same damn things as xoB.

Nothing quite so shameful as prejudice the holder is proud of.

What do you dispute?

[Undertoad]

Everywhere xoB says BS, I was saying BS along with him.