Men Abortion and Choice

Sniffing the ether

I see... literal.

[DucksNuts]

I've written replies and deleted them 3 times now, which is very unlike me.

I think Jinx is probably responding to this little gem....

If two people have sex and know how babies are made and know that no contraception is perfect they choose to risk getting pregnant, if they do it is a choice. They chose that risk and therefore chose the result.

Dana uses *forced* correctly in my mind....deciding to have sex (safely) and having an accident, doesnt mean the sperm donour (lets not call him a Father, he isnt a Father at this stage) should be allowed to dictate how the paternal Mothers body is used for the next 9 months.

Its ridiculous, you want to force an unwilling Female to carry a child?

[jinx]

Well that, and this exchange, and a couple other comments,

Originally Posted by dana

Simply because she chose to have sex with a man, he gets to make decisions about what she does with her body?

Originally Posted by rage

But it's ok to let a woman kill his child without his consent even though she CHOSE to get pregnant... I see.

but whatever. It's just ridiculous.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Sure, she made it all by herself.

Of course she didn't make it all by herself. But she's growing it all by herself. So she gets to be selfish about whether she wants to keep growing it or not.

So she gets to be selfish

[bluecuracao]

Does that mean you agree?

[Stormieweather]

That requirement would have the same affect on my body, as outlawing abortion would. In other words, I would HAVE to carry an unwanted fetus around for 9 months and take all of the risks involved with pregnancy and childbirth (for me, both are equally high risk). My body would be forever changed as would my emotional state.

Who is going to hold my hair while I puke my guts out every morning? Who is going to rub my back when I can barely stand? Who is going to help me up out of my chair or up the stairs? Who is going to prepare and inject my insulin shots? Who is going to be with me while I go through the multiple tests and procedures to ensure a healthy pregnancy? Who is going to make sure I eat right and don't drink or do drugs? Who is going to hold my hand while I scream during labor? Who is going to bring me ice packs when my breasts engorge? Who is going to admire my not-so-perfect-anymore body?

How many women do you think would actually go through with giving the baby to the birth father after he forced her to complete the pregnancy and childbirth? He gets to have sex, proceed to sit back and daydream of his coming child, then get it handed to him on a silver platter <so to speak>. And you think this is somehow FAIR or EQUAL????

I agree with Dana, both people who engage in sex take a risk. If they aren't prepared to deal with the consequences, then they need to abstain. Period.

[DucksNuts]

and your problem with that is???

That was directed at Rk's selfish quote.

as outlawing abortion would

Good thing no one is talking about outlawing abortion.

Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Does that mean you agree?

I agree it's selfish.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Dude, rkzenrage, a man has NO, repeat NO right or legal authority to say what a woman does with HER, repeat HER body and things inside it. That doesn't mean you can't ask her to keep it, can't beg and plead and even demand... but she absolutely does NOT have to listen to you.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

What was the point of that statement of the obvious?

That is the whole point of this entire thread. The law would force the woman to get permission from the man.

Nope, the law would make the man stop an abortion if he wished to take full responsibility for his child.

[DucksNuts]

Originally Posted by Stormieweather

I agree with Dana, both people who engage in sex take a risk. If they aren't prepared to deal with the consequences, then they need to abstain. Period.

Abstain....seriously?

[lumberjim]

rage, you're all fucked up here.

i'm slightly disgusted by your willful disregard of a woman's rights. does it really need to be laid out as literally as stormie does in her post for you to get it?

you sir, should be ashamed of yourself for taking the stance you've taken.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Good thing no one is talking about outlawing abortion.

You started this thread about outlawing abortion--that's what the proposed legislation is about. If the woman has to get permission from the man to have an abortion, and he says no, then it would be against the law for her to have an abortion.

[piercehawkeye45]

Ah, I love patriarchal laws.

Seriously, the woman has no say on whether to have an abortion when she is the one that has to have the baby? The father should never have the final say on an issue that a woman has to go through.