Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

[Flint]

Originally Posted by Flint

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

nice!

I'll be here all week. Try the veal!

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Again, answer or recant & apologize.

Good Americans stand up for the troops. Good Americans ask fundamental and simple questions such as "When do we go after bin Laden?" Any good American with respect for the American soldier asked those questions long ago. Does classicman? Where?

Where were you when good Americans were standing up for the troops? Where were you when George Jr was lying about WMDs, violating most every basic military concept, sending American soldiers uselessly to death, making the American soldier a target for 5+ years by disbanding the Iraqi army and police, proclaiming "America does not do nation building", and even putting injured soldiers n disgusting treatment programs including Walter Reed? Where were you when soldiers were even denied basic medical treatment for the many physical and psychological wounds? Oh. classicman remained silent - would not even apologize for such contempt.

classicman avoids a simple question by posting accusations. Tell us why you fear to ask a simple patriotic question. Why so much contempt for the American soldier as to avoid that question and advocate more deaths? Do you routinely side with George Jr's lies and half truths? Why so much contempt for the American soldier as to side routinely with TheMercenary and UG? Do you also have so little respect for the American soldier as to advocate more torture, extraordinary rendition, and imprisonment without judicial review? These are advocated by TheMercenary, et al due to, in part, contempt for the American soldier. Do you also have that same contempt?

Estimates suggest that 25% of self proclaimed American veterans never served. Lying is routine among those who huff and puff their military credentials; who routinely advocate military solutions; who fear talking to our enemies; who also support lying presidents.

Where was classicman when it came time to stand up for the American soldier? Instead, he defends a mental midget? That is contempt for the American soldier. So contemptible as to require an apology. Shame on you classicman for even denying that contempt.

Ironic how you don't like it when tw replies using those same personal attacks. Too bad you scumbag president lover. Oh. Did you join UG fighting the Russians during Desert Storm? Yes, he also made that claim. He is someone that classicman agrees with?

No wonder some use personal attacks. Posting, TheMercenary style, is easier when supporting facts need not be provided. Screw the Cellar that should now become a hotbed of personal attacks. A George Jr worshipper demonstrates contempt for the American solider by not asking one simple question, "When do we go after bin Laden?"

[classicman]

Sorry Tom, that game has gotten very old. No diversionary tactics - no changing the subject. Please remain on topic - Where is your proof, Tom? You made an unfounded accusation - either back it up or STFU.

You can attack me later. Lets finish this subject first - ok?
Prove where Themercenary lied about his service record or apologize - just like any real man would do.

[classicman]

BTW - that was a very nice post although about 80% of the accusations about me were wrong too.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

You made an unfounded accusation - either back it up or STFU.

You would again turn accurate statements into a pissing contest. classicman, when you do show responsibility and respect for the American soldier. Ask what an intelligent American adult would routinely ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?"

You would instead side with and post like TheMercenary? I thought you were smarter. TheMercenary cannot and therefore does not attempt to defend himself. So why are you his attack dog? Oh. You cannot miss any opportunity to denigrate another? Well, that is the point. Some people, especially George Jr supporters, only understand personal attacks - in Rush Limbaugh tradition.

At what point do you finally demonstrate integrity? Ask what any decent person would ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?" I thought you might be smarter than that. Replies are now in a tone that you understand - personal attack.

Surprise me. Demonstrate a shred of intelligence and integrity. Define George Jr for what he really is. Ask that simple question that George Jr supporters (TheMercenary and UG) fear to ask. Show some respect for the American soldier. Deal with the issues rather than attack another. A simple question that exposes the uneducated (and therefore George Jr supporters) such as TheMercenary.

The game is not old. Now wonder you do it so often. Enjoyable is posting as you and TheMercenary routinely do. You don't like it? Why then would you post like TheMercenary and UG? A socially responsible classicman would instead criticize those who routinely reply with personal attacks. Why do you routinely side with and post like UG and TheMercenary? Are you also a wacko extremist? Its not getting old. Its only confronting extremists with what someone should have done long ago - replies duplicating what they normally do.

[classicman]

I have chosen only the side of the truth - that is my goal here - but alas another diversion attempted by you and refuted again by me - Please try to focus & stay on topic.

Integrity??? What a surreal challenge, coming from you- You made a claim, back it up! That would demonstrate your integrity, Tom Welch - Please don't question mine simply because I asked you to verify your claim. Just provide the proof you claim to have and we'll all be able to move on.

Another diversion will not change the subject nor the apparent reality that you are seemingly a liar. If that is not true - provide proof. It seems so simple that even a layman like me can understand it - surely an electrical engineer like yourself should be able to do so as well.

Am I somehow being unclear in what I am asking of you? If so, please let me know and I'll try to clarify it for you.

Your last post had nothing to do with you backing up your claim that TheMercenary lied about his service record - either put up or shut up - seems pretty simple. You can write a 2000 word post on virtually anything, but when asked to back it up with facts - - - silence...
Why is that? The simple answer seems to be that there is no proof. That would call into question much of what you claim.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Accurate statements, tw? You do not issue accurate statements. Your most inaccurate statements are your claims to be some description of patriot. Sorry. Though the only thing I'm sorry about is how incapable you are of redemption or improvement. It is a sad spectacle. You're out of your depth in politics, and watching you try and do politics is like watching a thalidomide case playing the bagpipes. You are particularly out of your depth in the political question of when, whether, and how to replace nondemocracy with genuine democracy.

Hell, your memory about what I've said isn't exactly steel-trap. It's now a matter of Cellar record that you've exaggerated my length of service and underestimated my promotions -- there are many who can tell you the difference between a Petty Officer First Class and a corporal. And your source of information was me.

You do not want, and never did want, the American military to succeed in the endeavor made necessary by 9/11. You're transparent as glass, and we're not taking your ideas in any fashion, let alone taking them seriously.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw
TheMercenary lied about his service record.

Originally Posted by classicman

Please tell us where he lied - Thats a hell of an accusation to make without and supporting proof.

Come on tw. I am still waiting for you to prove this claim.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

You would again turn accurate statements into a pissing contest. classicman, when you do show responsibility and respect for the American soldier. Ask what an intelligent American adult would routinely ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?"

You would instead side with and post like TheMercenary? I thought you were smarter. TheMercenary cannot and therefore does not attempt to defend himself. So why are you his attack dog? Oh. You cannot miss any opportunity to denigrate another? Well, that is the point. Some people, especially George Jr supporters, only understand personal attacks - in Rush Limbaugh tradition.

At what point do you finally demonstrate integrity? Ask what any decent person would ask, "When do we go after bin Laden?" I thought you might be smarter than that. Replies are now in a tone that you understand - personal attack.

Surprise me. Demonstrate a shred of intelligence and integrity. Define George Jr for what he really is. Ask that simple question that George Jr supporters (TheMercenary and UG) fear to ask. Show some respect for the American soldier. Deal with the issues rather than attack another. A simple question that exposes the uneducated (and therefore George Jr supporters) such as TheMercenary.

The game is not old. Now wonder you do it so often. Enjoyable is posting as you and TheMercenary routinely do. You don't like it? Why then would you post like TheMercenary and UG? A socially responsible classicman would instead criticize those who routinely reply with personal attacks. Why do you routinely side with and post like UG and TheMercenary? Are you also a wacko extremist? Its not getting old. Its only confronting extremists with what someone should have done long ago - replies duplicating what they normally do.

No where in this post have you been able to support your claim:

Originally Posted by tw
TheMercenary lied about his service record.

I have more than 20 years of honorable service and the documents to back it up. Your blanket statements dishonor hundreds of thousands of people who have served our nation. Please back up your statement or STFU.

I can't believe the number of other Cellar Dwellers you just sit by and accept this kind of statement from tw.

Thanks to classicman for stepping up to the plate.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I can't believe the number of other Cellar Dwellers you just sit by and accept this kind of statement from tw.

I can't speak for anyone else, but this mud fight is not something I'm interested in joining.

I think rich got it right.

Originally Posted by richlevy

All in all, the last dozen posts have a high noise-to-content ratio with a big dose of spin and paranoia from both sides.

[jinx]

As seen on bumper stickers and fridge magnets everywhere:

Never argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

[lookout123]

here's the deal Merc. TW has been around since the dawn of the cellar, which coincidentally was the same day his mom got him a laptop. He's always been out in leftfield from what I've seen, although I do wonder what he posted about before 2000. His erratic insanity has become more apparent over the last couple years, but within the last few months he has genuinely blown a circuit I think. The dude is nuts. He isn't worth arguing with. Yeah, I know I do it, but it is for my own entertainment at this point. Don't take anything he says seriously, it's all BS.

I didn't take his bait about your service because it is too ridiculous to argue about. Most guys who lie about their service just do it to make quick points in an argument and then disappear when questions come up. TW is a liar, we all know it, so there really isn't any point in arguing over his obvious lies and insults.

Glatt, I agree with your discomfort about the use of TW's whole name. I think that was a reaction to TW's claim that he knows the truth about other dwellars lives. Not an excuse, but somewhat understandable. Glad to see Classic has chosen to drop that line of attack.

All said and done TW is just a target now. Use him for practice. He has been shown to be a liar. He frequently posts insults but freaks out when someone throws it back at him. (Apparently his mom forgot to teach him that what goes around comes around). When is the last time a dwellar actually read his post without an expectation of insanity? Take it with a grain of salt and a laugh.

[classicman]

I'm just going to apologize in this thread too - I apologize.
I'm done wasting my time with him. Sorry everyone.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lookout123

here's the deal Merc. TW has been around since the dawn of the cellar, which coincidentally was the same day his mom got him a laptop. He's always been out in leftfield from what I've seen, although I do wonder what he posted about before 2000. His erratic insanity has become more apparent over the last couple years, but within the last few months he has genuinely blown a circuit I think. The dude is nuts. He isn't worth arguing with. Yeah, I know I do it, but it is for my own entertainment at this point. Don't take anything he says seriously, it's all BS.

I didn't take his bait about your service because it is too ridiculous to argue about. Most guys who lie about their service just do it to make quick points in an argument and then disappear when questions come up. TW is a liar, we all know it, so there really isn't any point in arguing over his obvious lies and insults.

Glatt, I agree with your discomfort about the use of TW's whole name. I think that was a reaction to TW's claim that he knows the truth about other dwellars lives. Not an excuse, but somewhat understandable. Glad to see Classic has chosen to drop that line of attack.

All said and done TW is just a target now. Use him for practice. He has been shown to be a liar. He frequently posts insults but freaks out when someone throws it back at him. (Apparently his mom forgot to teach him that what goes around comes around). When is the last time a dwellar actually read his post without an expectation of insanity? Take it with a grain of salt and a laugh.

Good advice. I will just drop it and move on.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Glatt, I agree with your discomfort about the use of TW's whole name. I think that was a reaction to TW's claim that he knows the truth about other dwellars lives.

Absolutely. I think tw was trying to prove some sort of a point by going personal lately. Trying to get some sort of reaction. Maybe play the victim.