September 30, 2008: False Kiva - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 10-01-2008, 02:08 AM

It looks like that from my mushroom patch.

rupip · 10-01-2008, 09:47 AM

God is obviously a woman

ZenGum · 10-01-2008, 06:41 PM

How you figure that?

The crab nebula looks like a doily? The milky way is colour-coordinated with the walls of the cave?

xoxoxoBruce · 11-25-2008, 11:28 AM

I just found this day picture.

Shawnee123 · 11-25-2008, 11:29 AM

Wow!

CliffWalker · 01-04-2009, 09:23 PM

I've spent twenty-five years camping in the desert and photographing the night sky. Any photograph that will show the Milky Way in this detail would require the shutter to be open for a long time, creating star trails. This has to be a composite.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-04-2009, 09:32 PM

Welcome to the Cellar, CliffWalker.

I think you're right, but the photographer only claims that everything in the picture is real, which I believe it is.

One Monkey · 01-29-2009, 10:21 AM

First I want to say that this is a beautiful image, Mr. Palcholka is very talented. However, it does bother me that he does not admit that this image is a composite of more than one image. I don't understand why he feels compelled to state it is only one image with only one exposure. I read on another site where he admits that it is a panoramic composite of four images that were spliced together by a photography house.

I've worked in the graphic arts industry for over 30 years and have done digital retouching on images, and also am an amateur astronomer. The image has definitely been manipulated, its color levels, contrast, etc. And as for a composite of separate images, the obvious sign is the horizon—it is different from the daylight image posted on this site—you can't move mountains. This leads me to suspect the image of the Milky Way was a separate image too.

Mr. Palcholka, "There is nothing wrong with composite images, what is wrong is stating that it is not and trying to deceive others to that fact."

wolf · 01-29-2009, 10:24 AM

Thanks, One Monkey, for the info!

Welcome to the Cellar.

One Monkey · 01-29-2009, 10:28 AM

One Monkey · 01-29-2009, 10:31 AM

I tried to post an image showing the daylight horizon and the night horizon side by side but I don't see it here.

Here is my blog site for you to see:

http://www.onemonkeyarts.blogspot.com

glatt · 01-29-2009, 10:32 AM

Your post appears blank to me, One Monkey, but when I quote it, I can see you are trying to link to this image. I've uploaded it as an attachment.

edit: and in the time it took me to do that, I saw your second post.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-29-2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Monkey

However, it does bother me that he does not admit that this image is a composite of more than one image. I don't understand why he feels compelled to state it is only one image with only one exposure. I read on another site where he admits that it is a panoramic composite of four images that were spliced together by a photography house.

Where does he claim, "it is only one image with only one exposure", I've not seen that?
What he told me was, all his pictures have been verified by the National Park Service to be real stuff.

Oh, and welcome to the Cellar, One Monkey.

One Monkey · 01-29-2009, 11:45 AM

http://www.brightnightgallery.com/canfalkiv.html

A link to Mr. Palcholka's site, under Product Description he lists the image as Media: Unedited Photograph

http://munnecke.com/blog/?p=362

This site is someone who ordered his photos, a second person claim that the photos are not retouched.

http://www.twanight.org/newTWAN/photos.asp?ID=3001638

This site he admits it was a mosaic of four images.

http://www.terranuts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10447

At this site, scroll down to MAC's second reply and he quotes Mr. Pacholka's reply on how he took the photo.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-30-2009, 12:53 AM

In the forth link he tells how he did it.
You say he didn't.
I believe him.

10-01-2008, 02:08 AM	#16
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	It looks like that from my mushroom patch. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-01-2008, 06:41 PM	#18
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	How you figure that? The crab nebula looks like a doily? The milky way is colour-coordinated with the walls of the cave? __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-25-2008, 11:28 AM	#19
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I just found this day picture. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-25-2008, 11:29 AM	#20
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Wow! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

01-04-2009, 09:32 PM	#22
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Welcome to the Cellar, CliffWalker. I think you're right, but the photographer only claims that everything in the picture is real, which I believe it is. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-01-2008, 09:47 AM	#17
rupip Salzburger Nockerl Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Salzburg, Austria Posts: 37	God is obviously a woman

01-04-2009, 09:23 PM	#21
CliffWalker Kinda New Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boulder, CO USA Posts: 1	I've spent twenty-five years camping in the desert and photographing the night sky. Any photograph that will show the Milky Way in this detail would require the shutter to be open for a long time, creating star trails. This has to be a composite.

01-29-2009, 10:21 AM	#23
One Monkey Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: West Jordan, UT Posts: 4	First I want to say that this is a beautiful image, Mr. Palcholka is very talented. However, it does bother me that he does not admit that this image is a composite of more than one image. I don't understand why he feels compelled to state it is only one image with only one exposure. I read on another site where he admits that it is a panoramic composite of four images that were spliced together by a photography house. I've worked in the graphic arts industry for over 30 years and have done digital retouching on images, and also am an amateur astronomer. The image has definitely been manipulated, its color levels, contrast, etc. And as for a composite of separate images, the obvious sign is the horizon—it is different from the daylight image posted on this site—you can't move mountains. This leads me to suspect the image of the Milky Way was a separate image too. Mr. Palcholka, "There is nothing wrong with composite images, what is wrong is stating that it is not and trying to deceive others to that fact."

01-29-2009, 10:24 AM	#24
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Thanks, One Monkey, for the info! Welcome to the Cellar. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

01-29-2009, 10:28 AM	#25
One Monkey Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: West Jordan, UT Posts: 4

01-29-2009, 10:31 AM	#26
One Monkey Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: West Jordan, UT Posts: 4	I tried to post an image showing the daylight horizon and the night horizon side by side but I don't see it here. Here is my blog site for you to see: http://www.onemonkeyarts.blogspot.com

01-29-2009, 10:32 AM	#27
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Your post appears blank to me, One Monkey, but when I quote it, I can see you are trying to link to this image. I've uploaded it as an attachment. edit: and in the time it took me to do that, I saw your second post. Attached Images

01-29-2009, 11:45 AM	#29
One Monkey Recruit or Something Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: West Jordan, UT Posts: 4	http://www.brightnightgallery.com/canfalkiv.html A link to Mr. Palcholka's site, under Product Description he lists the image as Media: Unedited Photograph http://munnecke.com/blog/?p=362 This site is someone who ordered his photos, a second person claim that the photos are not retouched. http://www.twanight.org/newTWAN/photos.asp?ID=3001638 This site he admits it was a mosaic of four images. http://www.terranuts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10447 At this site, scroll down to MAC's second reply and he quotes Mr. Pacholka's reply on how he took the photo.

01-30-2009, 12:53 AM	#30
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	In the forth link he tells how he did it. You say he didn't. I believe him. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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