The American form of Government - Page 8

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 12:45 PM

I find it too limiting, and doesn't begin to cover the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, which is where we started.

Flint · 02-21-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

This is different but serves the same purpose.

Isn't that the Political Compass? As in, the political compass?

Pico and ME · 02-21-2009, 09:57 PM

Redux, can you find that chart you speak of? The only thing I can find is the Pournelle Chart which looks like this...Is this it?

Undertoad · 02-21-2009, 10:08 PM

It is. There is also the Nolan chart.

Clodfobble · 02-21-2009, 10:40 PM

I'm sorry, this is the only chart that matters:

sugarpop · 02-21-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TGRR

Yes, I answered it. The definition of the right vs left dichotomy given is a complete fabrication which has absolutely no basis in political theory or even dictionary definitions. It is meaningless Rush Limbaugh garbage, and can only be taken seriously by people who think Ann Coulter is highbrow reading.

bwahahahahahahahaha

xoxoxoBruce · 02-21-2009, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I'm sorry, this is the only chart that matters:

Your right, as usual.

sugarpop · 02-21-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang

Equally amusing, according to this, anarchists (the vast majority of whom consider themselves leftwing) are apparently on the far right.

Its faux-libertarian garbage, the sort of petty rhetorical shift one finds in the works of von Mises and the type. Unfortunately for them, it has no standing in political science or analysis.

Anarchists are libertarians, and can fall on either side of the spectrum. Most of the people I know are liberals, and quite a few of them consider themselves anarchist/socialists. And no, those two concepts do not clash. They fit together quite nicely.

TheMercenary · 02-22-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop

Anarchists are libertarians, and can fall on either side of the spectrum. Most of the people I know are liberals, and quite a few of them consider themselves anarchist/socialists. And no, those two concepts do not clash. They fit together quite nicely.

That is a crazy assumption.

TheMercenary · 02-22-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I'm sorry, this is the only chart that matters:

I love it.

sugarpop · 02-23-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

That is a crazy assumption.

Why?

And it is not an assumption.

TheMercenary · 02-23-2009, 04:47 PM

Just because anarchist/socialists share some common views about government does not mean they are even close on the spectrum of common thinking.

piercehawkeye45 · 02-23-2009, 09:33 PM

Anarchists are almost always considered leftists. Anarcho-capitalists can technically be considered anarchists because they share the same ideas about a lack of state but they do not share the same ideas on equality, labor, and just about everything on an economic scale, which many anarchists consider an essential part of anarchy.

TGRR · 02-23-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Anarchists are almost always considered leftists.

Except for the Libertarian Party, and anything involving Ayn Rand.

But the other two guys are leftists, sure.

DanaC · 02-24-2009, 01:17 PM

I havent met many anarchists who weren't lefties, but that might be because I am in the UK. I think our political spectrum is subtly different.

02-21-2009, 12:45 PM	#106
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Pico and ME Are you knock-kneed? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Middle Hoosierland Posts: 3,549	Redux, can you find that chart you speak of? The only thing I can find is the Pournelle Chart which looks like this...Is this it? Attached Images

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02-23-2009, 04:47 PM	#117
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Just because anarchist/socialists share some common views about government does not mean they are even close on the spectrum of common thinking. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-23-2009, 09:33 PM	#118
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Anarchists are almost always considered leftists. Anarcho-capitalists can technically be considered anarchists because they share the same ideas about a lack of state but they do not share the same ideas on equality, labor, and just about everything on an economic scale, which many anarchists consider an essential part of anarchy. __________________ I like my perspectives like I like my baseball caps: one size fits all.

02-21-2009, 10:08 PM	#109
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It is. There is also the Nolan chart.

02-24-2009, 01:17 PM	#120
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I havent met many anarchists who weren't lefties, but that might be because I am in the UK. I think our political spectrum is subtly different.

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