Obama--the grumblings

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by capnhowdy

No.
I am the motherfucker that risked my life to earn your freedom to sit on your sorry ass and attempt to agitate others on the internet.

Take a look at yourself, asswipe.
And meanwhile....... Fuck off!

Yes, because you're the only person that ever served. Quit your fucking sniveling. There's nothing more pathetic than someone who thinks their service = an argument. Drink water and drive on...or more likely, get back behind that typewriter.

TGRR,
Served when you were a naughty thought, kid.

[capnhowdy]

Serve what?
Big Macs and fries?

I usually avoid this thread because most of the people who post here have so much more knowledge about this topic than I.
Maybe you should consider this option. But you won't because the internet is the only place you can argue without someone like me kicking your ass.
Face it, man these guys are eating your ass for breakfast at regular intervals and it pisses you off. It won't get better. These guys just keep getting smarter. This is obvious to everyone in the Cellar. Except you. Pussy.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by capnhowdy

Serve what?
Big Macs and fries?

I usually avoid this thread because most of the people who post here have so much more knowledge about this topic than I.
Maybe you should consider this option. But you won't because the internet is the only place you can argue without someone like me kicking your ass.
Face it, man these guys are eating your ass for breakfast at regular intervals and it pisses you off. It won't get better. These guys just keep getting smarter. This is obvious to everyone in the Cellar. Except you. Pussy.

You should do something about that rage problem of yours, junior.

[capnhowdy]

Damn. We agree on something.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by TGRR

Now, the poor just deal with low wages. With a flat tax, the percentage tax required to run the country would have to be high enough to run the middle class into the working class, the working class into the lower class, and the lower class right under the nearest bridge.

A flat tax benefits only the rich, and they have enough benefits already.

I would disagree with that.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I would disagree with that.

Okay.

My reasoning is that spending will never go down (if you can show me a time in our history where the actual amount of real spending dropped, I'd be interested in seeing it). If you set the rate so everyone pays the same percentage, the rich pay less taxes, and everyone else gets raped to death.

[TheMercenary]

Well my reasoning is that if you eliminate the loop holes and deductions for everyone, regardless of how much you make or how little you make, the rich pay the same percentage of their income as the middle class, and the poor. Everyone benefits. The rich pay more taxes now and they will pay more taxes under a flat tax than anyone who makes less than them.

[capnhowdy]

Also, taxes would be collected from drug dealers, prostitutes, scam artists, cash only 'contractors', etc.
Usually, the more you make the more you spend. With the flat tax, if you want to decrease your taxes, slow down on your spending.
The reason the crack /drug dealers can afford their Escalades w/22's is all their income is tax free. The flat tax is the only way to ensure that everyone pays their share.
Almost anyone can find loopholes in todays tax system to hide their income, But we should all be smart enough to know that an unemployed person can't afford the things I see lots of the 'system bums' have.
Also, this would banish the need for the IRS. It's a win/win situation.... unless of course you are an undesirable as mentioned above. IMO, these taxes should be omitted for food and utilities and other 'necessary' living expenses. Call it socialist if you want, but capnhowdy is tired of supporting derelicts. If you can spend it, obviously you've got it.

Pours another scotch and contemplates buying my fourth leer. Nah.....

[TheMercenary]

With all the talk of decreasing the deductions for charitables we are going to probably put more of our income in pre-tax retirement. We gave over $8k last year to charity. That will have to stop.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Well my reasoning is that if you eliminate the loop holes and deductions for everyone, regardless of how much you make or how little you make, the rich pay the same percentage of their income as the middle class, and the poor. Everyone benefits. The rich pay more taxes now and they will pay more taxes under a flat tax than anyone who makes less than them.

Okay. What percentage are we talking about, here?

[capnhowdy]

Sadly correct. But maybe with all the added tax dollars created by forcing the skaters to pay their share the guvmitt could afford to bump the charities to offset the decline... just a thought.
And by not having to fund the IRS, a good leader could divert these funds to support "worthy' causes. The reason it will prolly never fly is because the people who make the laws are some of the biggest spenders/cheaters, and they won't build their own gallows.

[TheMercenary]

I don't have a clear figure, but something around 15-18% sounds reasonable. More would be to punishing on those at the low end of income earners. And 15% of a gross income of a million would be more than those at the top end pay now.

There would have to something different set up for the business side. I have looked at the "Fair Tax" plan and there is a lot of really good ideas in there. Only it will never happen. So I will have to go back to finding ways to make my money work for me.

[TGRR]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

And 15% of a gross income of a million would be more than those at the top end pay now.

Really? That's kind of surprising. Can you back that up?

[capnhowdy]

Can you post anything but a goddam request for data? WTF are you trying to "back up"? C'mon man... don't be a dick.

[capnhowdy]

And why should anyone need to "back up" their opinion?