Impeding changes to our Health Care system

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Meanwhile, back to the topic at hand...

A critical look at the French Health system is making the news.

French healthcare is 'badly run'


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3423159.stm

Irrelevant.

It has no bearing on the proposals on the table for reform in the US, since no proposal resembles the French system.

[TheMercenary]

Completely relevant. As many critics have done nothing but compare the US healthcare system to that of the one's in the UK, France, and Germany.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Completely relevant. As many have done nothing but compare the US healthcare system to that of the one's in the UK, France, and Germany.

Please cite any Democratic member of Congress or the Obama administration..or any objective observer...who have suggested the propsoals for reform should mirror anything in Europe.

It is solely the demagoguery of the Right that makes that comparison....along with "socialism" and "death panels" and "big brother making your medical decisions"

[TheMercenary]

Read the last 46 pages.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Read the last 46 pages.

Yep....demagoguery of the Right...with you leading the way with your misleading and, more often that not, completely baseless partisan editorials.

[TheMercenary]

If you don't think that members of Congress and other critics of healthcare in the US have made comparisons to rates of disease and cost outcomes to that in European countries you have not been paying attention to the debate. It is not about "demagoguery" as you attempt to fend off critisim of the Demoncratic plans. Talk about fear mongering. You and Hillary Clinton have much in common, "It's a Right Wing Conspiracy!". It is about honest debate about how Congress plans to implement the most sweeping social change in US history since the social programs of FDR.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

If you don't think that members of Congress and other critics of healthcare in the US have made comparisons to rates of disease and cost outcomes to that in European countries you have not been paying attention to the debate. It is not about "demagoguery" as you attempt to fend off critisim of the Demoncratic plans. Talk about fear mongering. You and Hillary Clinton have much in common, "It's a Right Wing Conspiracy!". It is about honest debate about how Congress plans to implement the most sweeping social change in US history since the social programs of FDR.

Sure...Republican members of Congress (not to mention the town hall crazies) with the never ending charges of "socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions" is not demagoguery.

It is honest debate.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Sure...screaming "socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions" is not demagoguery.

I am not screaming anything. And after further review I modified my stance on the Bill and EOL counseling. I never used the term "Death Pannel" nor supported such idiocy. Try again my partisan comrade.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I am not screaming anything. And after further review I modified my stance on the Bill and EOL counseling. I never used the term "Death Pannel" nor supported such idiocy. Try again my partisan comrade.

Hmmmm...you posted at least two partisan editorials from Betsy Mccaughey that I can recall on the "death panels" and other false characterizations of the current proposals....and, when challenged, you even said the "death panels" were, at worst, only a "slight" exaggeration.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Hmmmm...you posted at least two partisan editorials from Betsy Mccaughey that I can recall on the "death panels" and other false characterizations of the current proposals.

I am not screaming anything. And after further review I modified my stance on the Bill and EOL counseling. I never used the term "Death Pannel" nor supported such idiocy. Try again my partisan comrade.

SO now you are running away from your own posts (paraphrase - "death panels only a slight exaggeration")

Cool!

That doesnt change the fact that Republicans in Congress are still using the same demagoguery....."socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions"

How is that an honest debate?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

SO now you are running away from your own posts ("death panels only a slight exaggeration")

Cool!

That doesnt change the fact that Republicans in Congress are still using the same demagoguery....."socialism" and "death panels to pull the plug on grandma" and "big brother making your health care decisions"

How is that an honest debate?

I haven't run from anything. The Death Panel issue has been debunked nearly as soon as it came out. The bigger issue was that they were going to reimburse people for the discussion. I could give a shit about Republickins in Congress. They are not in charge. The Demoncrats are in charge and have been in charge for more than 2 years. The responsiblity lies with them. This is about the Obama and Demoncratic plans for healthcare reform. Not about what the minority says but what about the majority are trying to Rham through, which thank God they have been prevented from doing in this case.

I get it...ignore the lies on the Right that have made an honest discussion of the issue virtually impossible, and blame the Left.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I get it...ignore the lies on the Right that have made an honest discussion of the issue virtually impossible, and blame the Left.

No, ignore the lies of the Left and the Right and pick apart the Bill the Dems have tried to rush through Congress.

[TheMercenary]

This is a bit long but a really great read about the state of healthcare today. As the cover states, "What Washington doesn't get about Healthcare".

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care