Toyota stop sale

[lumberjim]

Toyota Recalls 2.3 Million Vehicles Over Sticking Accelerator Pedal

A new recall announced today by Toyota includes approximately 2.3 million Toyota cars, trucks and SUVs. No Lexus or Scion models are included. The recall is to fix accelerator pedals that become stuck and lead to severe accidents. This recall is separate from the 4.2 million vehicles recalled over floormats trapping the accelerator pedal. Toyota says 1.7 million vehicles are included in both recalls.

Below is Toyota’s explanation as well as the models affected.
“The condition is rare, but can occur when the pedal mechanism becomes worn and, in certain conditions, the accelerator pedal may become harder to depress, slower to return or, in the worst case, stuck in a partially depressed position. Toyota is working quickly to prepare the correction remedy.

"In the event that a driver experiences an accelerator pedal that sticks in a partial open throttle position or returns slowly to idle position, the vehicle can be controlled with firm and steady application of the brakes. The brakes should not be pumped repeatedly because it could deplete vacuum assist, requiring stronger brake pedal pressure. The vehicle should be driven to the nearest safe location, the engine shut off and a Toyota dealer contacted for assistance.”

Model included in the recall:

• 2009-10 RAV4
• 2009-10 Corolla
• 2009-10 Matrix
• 2005-10 Avalon
• 2007-10 Camry
• 2010 Highlander
• 2007-10 Tundra
• 2008-10 Sequoia

This isn't good for anyone. We had a stop sale on the altima in 05 or 06...one car....and it was a nightmare. This is huge.

they can't even sell the used ones.

[zippyt]

This could be a Mega Ballsy Move on their part , After this is thru have a Ernest Looking Dude say some thing like " We found out there was a serious Problem so we Pulled ALL the affected Product "because WE CARE SOOOO Much for YOUR Safety !!!!"

Speaks of concern for the well fare of the Public over Company Profits

[Pie]

The kicker is that the don't even know what's causing the problem or how to fix it!

[lumberjim]

and every drunk that wrecks his Toyota will be jumping on this bandwagon.


they also put a hold on new toy yodas, i hear.

[tw]

The recall is part of a major change in Toyota. Whereas Toyota was well above GM in quality, Toyota quality had fallen significantly below what any automaker (with responsible management) should have been doing.

The recall is but an iceberg tip. Wantanabe apparently was a problem for Toyota. Toyoda took over. Observed is a perfect example of what happens when better management finally lets employees address problems and implement solutions. Why were Pintos exploding and burning passengers alive? Because the problems was identified before even the first Pinto was sold – and stifled by Henry Ford.

Fuel injection works by monitoring vacuum inside the throttle chamber. If a mechanical linkage opens the throttle plate, then an engine (fuel injectors, et al) responds by burning more fuel - suck more air to increase vacuum. This was how it was done when Germans were putting this old technology in German WWII Messerschmitts in the 1930s.

The problematic Toyota design has a new design; electronics controlling that plate.

Anyone who understands computers also understands Watchdog timers. Too many engineers who only understand software can subvert an essential electronics device. Subvert that Watchdog timer. Testing cannot detect such mistakes. Another example of ‘quality by management’ concepts taught by Deming. If management did not do their job, for example, then a critical feature required in any realtime computer system would not protect from catastrophic failures.

This watchdog timer example demonstrates many design functions that cannot be detected and averted if management failed to provide the necessary attitude and knowledge. One example of why a very few products would do something completely unacceptable. And why this problem is virtually impossible to identify in a mechanical autopsy.

That recall is a symptom of what happens when new management addresses pre-existing management failures. Same should be happening in Chrysler today. Nothing here says that has happened. Only that symptoms imply a new management in Toyota has finally let engineers look for or implement solutions.

[lumberjim]

what color is your Accord?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Every car on the road that has properly working brakes, can be stopped with the engine running at full throttle... every car.

[TheMercenary]

Drop it into neutral apply breaks and walla...

[lumberjim]

walla. lolla

voila, ya mook.


but then your motor blows from over revving! not really.....but...just turn the fucker off. and then what?

[glatt]

plus, there's this thing called "Neutral" that comes in handy once the surprise has subsided a little bit. A clutch is even better, if you have one.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

walla. lolla

voila, ya mook.


but then your motor blows from over revving! not really.....but...just turn the fucker off. and then what?

Call the dealer and tell them their defect just blew up my car come get it and fix it.

[lumberjim]

there's the rub. do the dealers....once they figure out HOW to fix them.....fix customer cars or inventory of unsold cars first?

you know which they'll WANT to do first....

[TheMercenary]

Yea, I heard it on the news. Pissed me off since my dau drive a '10 Corolla and I drive a Tundra. But what cha going to do, they have us by the nads, and we can't control it.

[wolf]

Anybody else immediately start thinking about the recall math scene from Fight Club? That was Fight Club, right?

[jinx]

Yes

Narrator: "A new car built by my company
leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The
rear differential locks up. The car crashes
and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now:
should we initiate a recall? Take the number
of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the
probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the
average out-of-court settlement, C. A times
B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost
of a recall, we don't do one."
Business woman on plane: "Are there a lot of
these kinds of accidents?"
Narrator: "You wouldn't believe."
Business woman on plane: "Which car company do
you work for?"
Narrator: "A major one."