Accomplishments of President Obama

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

What are you trying to say here? The CBO numbers are narrower than what, and what are the CBO numbers you're talking about? Who have said what are basically bogus?

Bogus job creation numbers of 600,000 and 1.6 million vs 800,000 and 2.4 million. Did you not even read the posts?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Let Google be your friend. Of course you could just look at the posts above.

So you cant find your own links from the MANY non-governmental groups?

You just pulled those groups out of your ass?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I am aware of the groups that raised awareness and concern over the very small number of job reports in non-existing zip codes and attributed those clerical errors.

You are ignoring the glaring facts. And they did not attribute those errors to only "clerical errors".

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bogus job creation numbers of 600,000 and 1.6 million vs 800,000 and 2.4 million. Did you not even read the posts?

Huh? Bogus job creation numbers of [November numbers] vs [recent numbers]? They're both CBO numbers, but from different times. Of course the more recent numbers will be bigger.

The number of grants to non-existing zip codes was very small..less than one percent, and yes, from what I recall, clerical error was citied as the likely problem.

But you still cant point me to the links to those MANY non-government groups you cited?

I looked through the thread and could not find such links.

[TheMercenary]

As both of you hold up the CBO to support your positions how could you ignore these statements? Do you have your heads in the sand?

The CNN Fact Check Desk found that:

– Last November, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that between 600,000 and 1.6 million jobs were created through the third quarter, but said "it is impossible to determine how many of the reported jobs would have existed in the absence of the stimulus package."
– Also in November, the Government Accountability Office found "significant reporting and quality issues that need to be addressed."
– Last December, The White House Office of Management and Budget changed its guidance for stimulus recipients. Instead of asking recipients to report the amount of jobs created or saved with stimulus money, the Office asked recipients to report the amount of jobs "funded" by stimulus money.

Bottom Line: The White House-reported figures on jobs that were created under the stimulus plan are not specific enough to be deemed reliable.

These are not minor clerical errors....

But you repeatedly refered to MANY non-governmental groups.

I cant find your cites....help!

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

The number of grants to non-existing zip codes was very small..less than one percent, and yes, from what I recall, clerical error was citied as the likely problem.

But you still cant point me to the links to those MANY non-government groups you cited?

I looked through the thread and could not find such links.

Start with stimulus watch for the number of jobs actually created, not the bogus Gov numbers.

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/2.0/

[TheMercenary]

Even the person who Obama appointed says they are incorrect.

WASHINGTON — The government watchdog overseeing the federal stimulus program testified Thursday that he could not vouch for the Obama administration’s recent claims that the money had saved or created 640,000 jobs. He suggested that the administration should have treated the number with more skepticism.

The 640,000 figure, announced by the White House with some fanfare last month, came from reports filed by recipients of the stimulus money, many of which have been shown to be inaccurate or overstated since they were made public. But the watchdog, Earl E. Devaney, the chairman of the Recovery Accountability and Transparency Board, said that it was also possible that the figure understated how many jobs were affected. Up to 10 percent of the recipients had not filed the required reports showing how many jobs they had created or saved, he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/us...0stimulus.html

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Start with stimulus watch for the number of jobs actually created, not the bogus Gov numbers.

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/2.0/

Hey its great that stimulus watch now includes the jobs created for that Jennie-O Turkey grant.

http://www.stimuluswatch.org/2.0/

http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/awards/...y-deli-breasts

Top of the list...move active today -- 286 jobs created....same as the data reported to the government. Bogus?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

But you repeatedly refered to MANY non-governmental groups.

I cant find your cites....help!

Here is another great one.

http://stimulus.org/

2009 Stimulus (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) by Various Agencies ; Responsible for a deficit of $862.00 billion.

Compare to the other deficit contributions.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Here is another great one.

http://stimulus.org/

2009 Stimulus (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act) by Various Agencies ; Responsible for a deficit of $862.00 billion.

Compare to the other deficit contributions.

Over 3 fiscal years and the biggest single piece - $288 billion...tax cuts (lost revenue = budget deficits)

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Over 3 fiscal years and the biggest single piece - $288 billion...tax cuts (lost revenue = budget deficits)

Ummm we are not talking about tax cuts. We are talking about the impact of Obama and this Congress spending habits which has exploded the deficit.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Ummm we are not talking about tax cuts. We are talking about the impact of Obama and this Congress spending habits which has exploded the deficit.

You pointed to stimlus watch and the ARRA contributions to the deficit.

The biggest single piece of the $862 billion (over three fiscal years) ARRA contributions to the deficit are the ARRA tax cuts.....$288 billion in less revenue.

Deficits do not just result from spending more...but also from receiving less.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

You pointed to stimlus watch and the ARRA contributions to the deficit.

The biggest single piece of the $862 billion (over three fiscal years) ARRA contributions to the deficit are the ARRA tax cuts.....$288 billion in less revenue.

Deficits do not just result from spending more...but also from receiving less.

According to the very chart I linked to that made up a minor part of the deficit.

Maximum Amount: $66.13 billion
Deficit Impact: $17.76 billion