Gulf coast oil spill

[classicman]

Good for her Cic!

[HungLikeJesus]

Do you consider users of illegal drugs that are coming from or through Mexico to be partially responsible for the current troubles in that country?

[classicman]

For those who are interested ...

The Facts about the Jones Act and the Gulf Oil Spill
Good FAQ's in that one

Did the U.S. reject the offers?

On May 5, the State Department issued a statement acknowledging that it had received several offers from countries. "While there is no need right now that the U.S. cannot meet, the U.S. Coast Guard is assessing these offers of assistance to see if there will be something which we will need in the near future," the statement said.

The offer of skimmers was accepted on May 23, when BP purchased three Koseq sweeping arms.

As of June 21, the other Dutch offers were considered "under consideration," and the response team had also accepted aid from Mexico, Canada and Norway.

Link

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by classicman

After only 70 days and letting the oil hit land ... FINALLY

Originally Posted by classicman

For those who are interested ...

My math may be off, but April 20th to May 23 is more like 53 days, not 70.

BP should have and should be doing more, and more quickly.

Just saying.

[classicman]

Since Obama himself proclaimed that HE is in charge, I continue to blame the administration for the no/slow response and lack of coordination on this.

Others still want to blame the big bad oil company. They are ultimately to blame and are responsible for the cost to clean it up as best possible. Its never gonna be like it was.

However, I believe that when it comes to protecting America - jobs, land, wildlife, industry etc ... that IS our Govt's responsibility.

On a side note - I found this piece.

A dire report circulating in the Kremlin today that was prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Anatoly Sagalevich of Russia's Shirshov Institute of Oceanology warns that the Gulf of Mexico sea floor has been fractured “beyond all repair” and our World should begin preparing for an ecological disaster “beyond comprehension” unless “extraordinary measures” are undertaken to stop the massive flow of oil into our Planet’s eleventh largest body of water.

Most important to note about Sagalevich’s warning is that he and his fellow scientists from the Russian Academy of Sciences are the only human beings to have actually been to the Gulf of Mexico oil leak site after their being called to the disaster scene by British oil giant BP shortly after the April 22nd sinking of the Deepwater Horizon oil platform.

According to Sagalevich’s report, the oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico is not just coming from the 22 inch well bore site being shown on American television, but from at least 18 other sites on the “fractured seafloor” with the largest being nearly 11 kilometers (7 miles) from where the Deepwater Horizon sank and is spewing into these precious waters an estimated 2 million gallons of oil a day.

Interesting to note in this report is Sagalevich stating that he and the other Russian scientists were required by the United States to sign documents forbidding them to report their findings to either the American public or media, and which they had to do in order to legally operate in US territorial waters.

However, Sagalevich says that he and the other scientists gave nearly hourly updates to both US government and BP officials about what they were seeing on the sea floor, including the US Senator from their State of Florida Bill Nelson who after one such briefing stated to the MSNBC news service“Andrea we’re looking into something new right now, that there’s reports of oil that’s seeping up from the seabed… which would indicate, if that’s true, that the well casing itself is actually pierced… underneath the seabed. So, you know, the problems could be just enormous with what we’re facing.”

As a prominent oil-industry insider, and one of the World's leading experts on peak oil, Simmons further warns that the US has only two options, “let the well run dry (taking 30 years, and probably ruining the Atlantic ocean) or nuking the well.”

Bold mine.
I'm not sure what ireport is other than its not from the CNN news staff, but this was virtually all news to me.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Since Obama himself proclaimed that HE is in charge, I continue to blame the administration for the no/slow response and lack of coordination on this.

Rush Limbaugh logic remains alive and well. Apparently this reporter also knew Saddam had WMDs.

We know the source of this problem. It was created when top management openly encouraged reckless procedures at the expense of intelligent thought and despite what the engineers were saying. It was the same attitude that launched the Challenger when not even one engineer said it was safe. We know these management policies of optimizing profits are directly traceable to attitude and knowledge on and before 2008. When even sexting parties were all but encouraged by the administration. When all responsibility in all industries (including autos, finance, science and research, and military contractors) was subverted and discouraged.

We also know well proven solutions are two drilling operations. That will intercept the well in late August or early September. And we know when BP tried to stop one of these drills, the White House personally intervened to make sure both drills were operating. So that at least one would intercept the well ASAP. And yet extremists would still blame Obama - for the same reasons they knew Saddam had WMDs?

We also know the LA, MS, and FL coast damage was an inevitable conclusion well over a month ago. That no skimming, booms, dispersants, etc would avert this damage that had to be averted many years ago. We know BP even lied about the size of the leak. And can understand why they would lie for months. But Limbaugh logic would blame Obama - as any wacko extremist would routinely do. And forget to mention the sexting parties ongoing when the White House openly encouraged corruption - including the world's largest corruption scandal - K Street. But we should blame Obama.

Somehow we are to believe that earth was intact for a million years. And that suddenly it has numerous three mile deep factures? Fractures created by BP? And this is Obama's fault? With fiction after myth believed, no wonder Saddam had WMDs. There is only one way to describe such nonsense. A head that is doing the thinking lies between two legs. It is where Limbaugh logic is generated. It is where political agendas originate - including Saddam's WMDs.

The well proven solutions should achieve their objectives in late August or early September. Meanwhile, the Gulf will have an Exxon Valdez spill every four days. Deal with reality. And why extremist Presidents and sexting parties are so destructive to the environment, America's image, and the American economy.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by tw

Rush Limbaugh logic remains alive and well. Apparently this reporter also knew Saddam had WMDs.

Insult...

We know the source of this problem. It was created when top management openly encouraged reckless procedures at the expense of intelligent thought and despite what the engineers were saying.

Agreed.

We know these management policies of optimizing profits are directly traceable to attitude and knowledge on and before 2008. When even sexting parties were all but encouraged by the administration. When all responsibility in all industries (including autos, finance, science and research, and military contractors) was subverted and discouraged.

LSD trip.

We also know well proven solutions are two drilling operations. That will intercept the well in late August or early September.

Yup, old news.

And we know when BP tried to stop one of these drills, the White House personally intervened to make sure both drills were operating. So that at least one would intercept the well ASAP.

Cite please.

And yet extremists would still blame Obama - for the same reasons they knew Saddam had WMDs?

'nother windowpane...

We also know the LA, MS, and FL coast damage was an inevitable conclusion well over a month ago. That no skimming, booms, dispersants, etc would avert this damage that had to be averted many years ago.

Quantifying that damage and minimizing it to the best of our ability also was an obvious fact. What are you talking about with the damage aversion years ago tangent?

We know BP even lied about the size of the leak. And can understand why they would lie for months.

Yup - nothing new here. . . common knowledge.

But Limbaugh logic would blame Obama - as any wacko extremist would routinely do. And forget to mention the sexting parties ongoing when the White House openly encouraged corruption - including the world's largest corruption scandal - K Street. But we should blame Obama.

If you read any of my posts, you know damn well that, I too hold BP responsible for the leak. The clean up et all. is what lays upon the feet of Mr. Obama and his administration - not the last one or any other. They are charged with that responsibility.

Somehow we are to believe that earth was intact for a million years. And that suddenly it has numerous three mile deep factures? Fractures created by BP? And this is Obama's fault? With fiction after myth believed, no wonder Saddam had WMDs. There is only one way to describe such nonsense. A head that is doing the thinking lies between two legs. It is where Limbaugh logic is generated. It is where political agendas originate - including Saddam's WMDs.

Please, if humanly possible, explain whatever it is you are talking about here, in plain english.

The well proven solutions should achieve their objectives in late August or early September.

Again, old news.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

If you read any of my posts, you know damn well that, I too hold BP responsible for the leak. The clean up et all. is what lays upon the feet of Mr. Obama and his administration - not the last one or any other. They are charged with that responsibility.

To post extremist rhetoric, you must deny who is completely responsible for the clean up. BP. Which is why BP, et al submit plans for how they will clean up every spill. And why the government had to step in and do BP's job. BP did what any corrupt company does. Buy off the regulators. Including those sexting parties that you refuse to acknowledge - because those parties expose the facility of a political agenda.

Corruption openly encouraged especially after 2000 when even lawyers rewrote science papers and K-Street was this nation's worst corruption scandal. When even torture was openly endorsed. And when hundreds of innocent men were held in Guantanamo because a political agenda is more important than honesty. These are more reasons why you blame Obama - even deny whose failure required government intervention - including the White House ordering the restart of that second drilling rig.

You are lying. The cleanup is Obama's fault only where Rush Limbaugh lies are promoted. BP created a spill so large that no successful cleanup is possible. Once BP had no plans to stop the leak, then no successful clean up is possible. BP even lied about the size of that flow so as to avoid a major problem: BP did not have the clean up plans or abilities they were required to have.

When your politics is driven by rhetoric, then everyone must remember what that same logic created - Saddam's WMDs. It only insults you because you do not want to admit why you bought into that overt lie. And why a moderate who needs facts before having a conclusion saw through that myth. When you post extremist rhetoric, I will remind you how many good American soldiers were massacred only for another extremist lie.

Obama is not responsible for the cleanup. BP is. Obama is involved because BP openly lied and did what was encouraged at the highest levels of government especially in 2000 through 2008. When do you admit to those sexting parties throughout 2000 thru 2008: an example of working a political agenda rather than for America. Somehow the adminstration did not know until newspapers exposed it? Bull. Many of the same corrupt MMS people were left in those jobs. So corrupt that when the adminstration asked for information about deep sea drilling, those people could not mention how often BOP fail at those depths. Sexting parties were typical when management would even lie about Saddam's WMDs.

Failures directly traceable to citizens who support extremists political agendas rather than America. Which one do you support? Blaming Obama is a perfect example of support for an extremist political agenda. What Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, et al tell disciples what to believe.

Why were all oil companies required to submit their clean up plans? Why were all oil companies - and not the government - required to have equipment to peform that clean up? Oh. According to classicman and Limbaugh, it was all Obama's fault.

[Happy Monkey]

I'm not sure those two options are mutually exclusive.

[classicman]

Well they aren't going to let it run dry and then nuke it.
Or nuke it and then let it run dry .. .. ..
What do you mean?

[Happy Monkey]

Nuking it could allow it to run dry faster. Especially considering the other bolded paragraph.

[Clodfobble]

How does nuking it fit in with the methane-explosion-tsunami-doomsday scenario?

[Shawnee123]

I heard about that, from a nearby to there resident. I offered a move to Ohio...but one figured death will come slowly or quickly. I contend that it'll be like The Stand, and I will have to decide whether I'll go to the good side, or the dark side. Nadine, anyone?

[ZenGum]

Take the blue pill.

It is normal and natural to have small, occasional leaks of oil from the sea floor. The ocean can deal with a few thousand gallons here and there. How much is coming from sources outside the main well-head?

the oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico is not just coming from the 22 inch well bore site being shown on American television, but from at least 18 other sites on the “fractured seafloor” with the largest being nearly 11 kilometers (7 miles) from where the Deepwater Horizon sank and is spewing into these precious waters an estimated 2 million gallons of oil a day.

This is potentially misleading. The well head is leaking appx 2 million gallons per day. The way it is written, one could easily think that the other leaks are leaking at that rate.
Further, the article suggests that the well hole is fractured beneath the surface and this is leaking though permeable shallow rock in the area to feed the other leaks. The article suggests that this means that capping the well won't contani the other leaks.
However, the mud/concrete plug is to fill the well hole for hundreds, maybe thousands of feet. If it goes as planned, it WILL cut off all oil to the near-sea-floor region.

Speaking as one of the worst doom-saying worrywarts in the Cellar, I think this article is BS. The plug should work, eventually - might take a few tries - and this will stop any major associated leaking. Minor leaking is tolerable. They will not nuke it. No way.

I'm more concerned about hurricane season. Alex went well off to the east, but still screwed with the containment operations. Sooner or later, a storm is going to make a direct hit. Gonna be ... interesting...

Oh while I'm at it ...

However, I believe that when it comes to protecting America - jobs, land, wildlife, industry etc ... that IS our Govt's responsibility.

Can't help but notice that things like people and rights aren't on this list ... but then, I'm a stinkin' socialist pinko type.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I'm more concerned about hurricane season. Alex went well off to the east, but still screwed with the containment operations. Sooner or later, a storm is going to make a direct hit. Gonna be ... interesting...

I'm not worried about a hurricane. worst case scenario is that they have to remove the cap entirely and leave the area for several days while the hurricane passes through. That will increase the spill for those days, which is bad, but it's not like they are collecting all the oil spilling out anyway.