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Sheldonrs · 07-21-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

It'd be a great way to go though. When I die, I want to be eaten by wolves. Give back to the earth...

I want to be eaten by Matt Damon. My guess is you have a better shot though.

Lamplighter · 07-21-2010, 05:38 PM

So what is the goal of the sanctuary in Pennsylvania for those wolves ?
Just the fact that this facility even exists would drive some Oregon hunters nuts.

Wolves are being released into the wild in Montana and Idaho,
and are slowly making their way into eastern and central Oregon.
They are no longer on the federal endangered/protected (?) lists,
but Oregon law still has them on the State's protected list.

Oregon's Dept of Fish and Wildlife has set up a program
maximum of 2 breeding pairs in each of 8 areas of the state,
and hunters are acting as if there's a wolf behind every tree.
Hunters are concerned over the loss of deer and elk, which are
actually decreasing in substantial numbers. (any number of causes)

Another predator of concern to hunters is the cougar/mountain lion
which is increasing in numbers, probably because they can no longer
be hunted with hounds in Oregon (as result of a state-wide public
referendum about 6 years ago).

xoxoxoBruce · 07-21-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamplighter

So what is the goal of the sanctuary in Pennsylvania for those wolves ?

The founder was smoking crack and thought it would be a good idea to do a real Wolfen.

jinx · 07-21-2010, 11:41 PM

Presence Of Wolves Allows Aspen Recovery In Yellowstone

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The wolves are back, and for the first time in more than 50 years, young aspen trees are growing again in the northern range of Yellowstone National Park.

After an absence of 70 years, wolves were re-introduced to Yellowstone Park in 1995, and elk populations began a steady decline, cut in half over the past decade. Also, the presence of a natural predator appears to have altered the behavior of the remaining elk, which in their fear of wolves tend to avoid browsing in certain areas where they feel most vulnerable. The two factors together have caused a significant reduction in elk browsing on young aspen shoots, allowing them to survive to heights where some are now above the animal browsing level.

glatt · 07-22-2010, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jinx

Presence Of Wolves Allows Aspen Recovery In Yellowstone

Very interesting. It's obvious that putting the wolves in will impact the elk, but I had no idea about the trees. I wonder if anyone did?

classicman · 07-22-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Very interesting. It's obvious that putting the wolves in will impact the elk, but I had no idea about the trees. I wonder if anyone did?

I doubt anyone thought that far into it, but who knows. I do think that this is a great example of the unintended consequences of humans actions on the environment. In this case it seems like they were positive ... so far.

No when we realize what having too many aspen trees and them being to tall and blocking the light from some other something and then when they don't reproduce .... headspinning.

Griff · 07-30-2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Very interesting. It's obvious that putting the wolves in will impact the elk, but I had no idea about the trees. I wonder if anyone did?

They probably did. Around here the whitetail population is destroying the forest undergrowth. The Gamelands next door has a deer exclusion fence in one area so biologists can study a deer free area. A large property owner nearby has an exclusion fence to support forest recovery, creating a reserve for native plants.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-30-2010, 09:44 AM

There's always somebody thinking about this stuff, it's a matter of the people thinking/knowing, having influence with the people that have the power to effect changes.

I remember when they were planning strip mine reclamation, they decided Elk would be better than Deer, because of different eating habits. Elk graze and Deer browse.

Shawnee123 · 07-22-2010, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheldonrs

I want to be eaten by Matt Damon. My guess is you have a better shot though.

I have a better shot at being eaten by wolves or a better shot at being eaten by Matt Damon?

Probably both!

dmg1969 · 07-26-2010, 11:10 AM

A few photos from my trip to the Wolf Sanctuary of PA have been posted in the "Neat pictures I've taken" thread.

Lamplighter · 07-29-2010, 11:58 PM

I just watched a 30-min segment of the PBS TV series "Outdoor Idaho" about the status of "Wolves in Idaho".

I was really impressed by the views of a man who is a major sheep grower, and of another who is a hunter/legislator.
It's worth watching, regardless of what side of the complex and polarizing issues you might think you support.

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07-21-2010, 05:38 PM	#2
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	So what is the goal of the sanctuary in Pennsylvania for those wolves ? Just the fact that this facility even exists would drive some Oregon hunters nuts. Wolves are being released into the wild in Montana and Idaho, and are slowly making their way into eastern and central Oregon. They are no longer on the federal endangered/protected (?) lists, but Oregon law still has them on the State's protected list. Oregon's Dept of Fish and Wildlife has set up a program maximum of 2 breeding pairs in each of 8 areas of the state, and hunters are acting as if there's a wolf behind every tree. Hunters are concerned over the loss of deer and elk, which are actually decreasing in substantial numbers. (any number of causes) Another predator of concern to hunters is the cougar/mountain lion which is increasing in numbers, probably because they can no longer be hunted with hounds in Oregon (as result of a state-wide public referendum about 6 years ago).

07-29-2010, 11:58 PM	#11
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	I just watched a 30-min segment of the PBS TV series "Outdoor Idaho" about the status of "Wolves in Idaho". I was really impressed by the views of a man who is a major sheep grower, and of another who is a hunter/legislator. It's worth watching, regardless of what side of the complex and polarizing issues you might think you support.

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