Mosque at 51 Park Place, NY, NY - Page 9

Sundae · 08-09-2010, 10:15 AM

Baltic Exchange, City of London (that's the square mile of trading, inside London itself - like Wall Street but bigger and older)
Enniskillen.

classicman · 08-09-2010, 10:19 AM

Grrrrrrrrrr

Addressed last night

Sundae · 08-09-2010, 10:24 AM

Anyway, back to Neil Gaiman...
Nah, I'd best just start a thread. His world of mythology and literature and classical references does not sit well here.

Happy Monkey · 08-09-2010, 10:35 AM

The "Ramadan" issue of "Sandman" fits this thread well... Written during the HWBush Gulf War, I read it for the first time around the WBush Gulf War.

Lamplighter · 08-09-2010, 10:41 AM

Remember:

Pearl Harbor
The Armenian Massacre
The Chinese massacre of 1871
The Massacre at Wounded Knee
The Massacre at Mountain Meadows

Merc: Where is the line drawn to separate actions of a few from hatred of the entire group ?

Attempting to demean an entire group by hatred of the few is futile tactic, whether it be in religion or in war.

Spexxvet · 08-09-2010, 11:01 AM

the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre of August 24, 1572

Lamplighter · 08-09-2010, 11:53 AM

Hey, let's make the list longer...

The Granada massacre - 1066 CE
The St Brice's Day massacre - 1002 CE
The Massacre of Thessaloniki - 390 CE
The Menai Massacre- 61 CE

And don't forget all Students because of the Columbine Massacre

tw · 08-09-2010, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Should there be a mosque there? I don't really like it. If I had my choice, no.

No only because you associate 11 September with a hate of Islam. There is no valid relationship between Islam and 11 September. A moderate does not care whether is it is called a church, synagogue, temple, oracle, or mosque. No relation to 11 September exists if ignoring wacko extremist rhetoric. The same rhetoric that preaches IslamoFascism.

I love it when TheMercenary replies. He demonstrate the hate that underlies extremist politics. The only reason we are discussing this mosque: so many believe lies and hate promoted by wacko extremists. The same hate that TheMercenary posts at me - and uses to constantly attack Obama.

The enemy is bin Laden. Some extremists are so full of hate to automatically associate a mosque and Islam with 11 September. Islam is a convenient target to power extremism. For Hitler, it was the Jews. Hate empowers extremists. If you have any problem with that mosque, then you are too entrenched in the hate advocated by extremism.

This thread exists only because too many are brainwashed in the hate and fear of Muslims. Notice how often the routine extremists have posted. Notice how easy they get angry when the reasons for their hate is identified. Too many conveniently forget who the enemy is – bin Laden - not that mosque and not Islam.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-09-2010, 02:11 PM

But there's not a complete disconnect, that's what makes it difficult. Separating radical Islamics from the rest is probably easier in person, in that they're the ones trying to kill you, than it is in the abstract.
Of course not making that distinction is intellectually, and morally, lazy, but certainly easier, and makes for more compact sound bites.

classicman · 08-09-2010, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Uh, no.

Quote:

The enemy is was bin Laden. Too many conveniently forget who the enemy is was – bin Laden.

Who apparently died several years ago due to heart or kidney malfunction.
This is like a car race. You just keep going in circles.

There has been no sighting of bin Laden since December 2001.
No intelligence has reported anything of himsince 2001.
Most international observers believe bin Laden died years ago.

bin Laden would not have remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with.

bin Laden was often reported to be in poor health & to have a life expectancy of only months perhaps a year back in 2001 & 2002.

tx - You go ahead and beat the drum on the dead guy because its good for YOUR extremist hateful view. You are blind to that reality. Honestly, thats ok. Just leave me the out of it - mmmkay?

Here are a couple more links ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...rzai.binladen/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2135473.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/eu...binladen.will/

Shawnee123 · 08-09-2010, 02:39 PM

Oh for pete's sake. Where are you getting bin Laden died?

THERE IS NO PROOF THAT Osama bin Laden is dead. Even snopes says it's an ill-advised rumor (undetermined but ridiculous to just think that it's true.) That's a funny thing to hang your hat on, in your ongoing act of putting your fingers in your ears and mumbling "blah blah blah blah" so as not to actually hear anything.

Oh yeah, I know you're ignoring me, but maybe someone else will tell you to find something better for your debate about whether the mosque is appropriate or not (or in your constant match with tw to decide who gets to pee in what spot) than "OSAMA IS DEAD." Whether he is or not is irrelevant to this discussion anyway (though it would be in the interest of extremists and the former Bush admin for us to BELIEVE it...whew, damn, good thing he's dead, right?)

Sigh. I try, I really do...but the ignorance, it stings.

tw, you're right about extremists, and bruce put it in a good way (that it's difficult to discern radicals from regulars, just like say, Catholics)...but this same crap over and over and over... Right about now we need a picture of 9/11 to remind us to hate.

Spexxvet · 08-09-2010, 03:34 PM

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions, as they all worship the God of Abraham. There shouldn't be houses of worship for any of these religions near ground zero.

piercehawkeye45 · 08-09-2010, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Who apparently died several years ago due to heart or kidney malfunction.
This is like a car race. You just keep going in circles.

I can't say I've peered into the depths of tw's brain but I'm assuming he is using Osama Bin Ladin as anyone who shares the same extremist world view. Just because Bin Ladin may have died does not mean the same anti-western philosophies don't exist and thrive in certain areas of the world. Bin Ladin's direct influence is probably extremely low even if he did survive to this day. But, he will live on as a symbol for a long time.

Spexxvet · 08-09-2010, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

Uh, no.

Who apparently died several years ago due to heart or kidney malfunction.
This is like a car race. You just keep going in circles.

There has been no sighting of bin Laden since December 2001.
No intelligence has reported anything of himsince 2001.
Most international observers believe bin Laden died years ago.

bin Laden would not have remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with.

bin Laden was often reported to be in poor health & to have a life expectancy of only months perhaps a year back in 2001 & 2002.

tx - You go ahead and beat the drum on the dead guy because its good for YOUR extremist hateful view. You are blind to that reality. Honestly, thats ok. Just leave me the out of it - mmmkay?

Here are a couple more links ...
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/as...rzai.binladen/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2135473.stm
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/eu...binladen.will/

BTW, photos/video or it never happened

classicman · 08-09-2010, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I can't say I've peered into the depths of tw's brain

08-09-2010, 10:15 AM	#121
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Baltic Exchange, City of London (that's the square mile of trading, inside London itself - like Wall Street but bigger and older) Enniskillen. Attached Images

08-09-2010, 10:19 AM	#122
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Grrrrrrrrrr Addressed last night __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

08-09-2010, 10:35 AM	#124
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The "Ramadan" issue of "Sandman" fits this thread well... Written during the HWBush Gulf War, I read it for the first time around the WBush Gulf War. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

08-09-2010, 11:01 AM	#126
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre of August 24, 1572 __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-09-2010, 02:11 PM	#129
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But there's not a complete disconnect, that's what makes it difficult. Separating radical Islamics from the rest is probably easier in person, in that they're the ones trying to kill you, than it is in the abstract. Of course not making that distinction is intellectually, and morally, lazy, but certainly easier, and makes for more compact sound bites. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-09-2010, 10:24 AM	#123
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Anyway, back to Neil Gaiman... Nah, I'd best just start a thread. His world of mythology and literature and classical references does not sit well here.

08-09-2010, 10:41 AM	#125
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Remember: Pearl Harbor The Armenian Massacre The Chinese massacre of 1871 The Massacre at Wounded Knee The Massacre at Mountain Meadows Merc: Where is the line drawn to separate actions of a few from hatred of the entire group ? Attempting to demean an entire group by hatred of the few is futile tactic, whether it be in religion or in war.

08-09-2010, 11:53 AM	#127
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Hey, let's make the list longer... The Granada massacre - 1066 CE The St Brice's Day massacre - 1002 CE The Massacre of Thessaloniki - 390 CE The Menai Massacre- 61 CE And don't forget all Students because of the Columbine Massacre

08-09-2010, 02:39 PM	#131
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Oh for pete's sake. Where are you getting bin Laden died? THERE IS NO PROOF THAT Osama bin Laden is dead. Even snopes says it's an ill-advised rumor (undetermined but ridiculous to just think that it's true.) That's a funny thing to hang your hat on, in your ongoing act of putting your fingers in your ears and mumbling "blah blah blah blah" so as not to actually hear anything. Oh yeah, I know you're ignoring me, but maybe someone else will tell you to find something better for your debate about whether the mosque is appropriate or not (or in your constant match with tw to decide who gets to pee in what spot) than "OSAMA IS DEAD." Whether he is or not is irrelevant to this discussion anyway (though it would be in the interest of extremists and the former Bush admin for us to BELIEVE it...whew, damn, good thing he's dead, right?) Sigh. I try, I really do...but the ignorance, it stings. tw, you're right about extremists, and bruce put it in a good way (that it's difficult to discern radicals from regulars, just like say, Catholics)...but this same crap over and over and over... Right about now we need a picture of 9/11 to remind us to hate. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-09-2010, 03:34 PM	#132
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions, as they all worship the God of Abraham. There shouldn't be houses of worship for any of these religions near ground zero. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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