Burn A Koran Day

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I guess in the hope that there will be a legitimate exchange of ideas and to hear what others think about any issues. I have modified many of my thoughts and views since posting on this forum. It is healthy. I respect many of the posters on this site for their contrary views and ideas. It can only be a good thing to keep expanding and exploring thoughts and ideas that I may find contrary. No cost.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

100% completely correct. It is not that I don't care or completely discard what others say, only that I don't really care about what others think about what I say or think. I have been around the world to many situations and many places that most people will never go or never have the chance to experience, I place value on MOST but not all, of others experiences and perspectives. But it does not mean that I either placate or facilitate those views. They are just other views, just like mine, some are filed, some are dissected, many are just discarded. I don't think most people on here treat me with even that much respect or consideration.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Sheesh. Are the rioters of Kabul, now resting from their labors, well enough informed to distinguish Florida from NYC? There are those on the ground who report they are not.

Et encore, c'est rire.

[classicman]

Most likely not. That doesn't matter. Like any good extremist, they believe what they are told.

[TheMercenary]

Eh, so be it.

I am a military guy, direct, take it or leave it, what you see is what you get. There is no hidden agenda. I accept that whatever the perspective is after that is a normal life event. My experience is that people will evaluate exchanges on the internet as a narrow view of their world understanding combined with their life experience to that point. It is not a dig, just an observation. The other observation is that if you think you know someone based upon exchanges on a public forum your are a total fucked up dick and you have a brain the size of a pea, just like Spexxvet.

See you liberal progressive cocksuckers in Nov. Then we can talk.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Hand grenades are not the posts where you say something, they're the posts where you don't. They have no purpose except to agitate, and they do. It's your choice, I'm just sayin'.

[TheMercenary]

Understood. Thanks for your input.

My motivation, as assessed is often not to agitate, often is is really how I feel about issues. How does one divide that out? How do you peel off what is in your heart and what you really feel from some Bullshit touchy feely pile of crap that many try to pass off as "trying to keep the peace" bullshit conversation? Dancing around the issues? Deep throating the party line of the current powers that be? Tiptoeing around the issues of race and scumbags from the far left throw out the race card to shut down conversation and dissent? Now every single person who disagrees with the socialist agenda of Obama or the Demoncrats is now a racist or a bigot. What has happened is they have reset the race card back to the 1950's and in many peoples mind they are going to have to restart it all again with this exploitive tactic of using the race card for every aspect of fighting and disagreeing with disagreement. the idea of anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist needs to be put to bed, it is bullshit.

So be it, but don't be surprised by the bed you now have to lay in.

[Griff]

Because you don't expand your arguments with whatever lessons you've learned in life, I make assumptions to fill in the blanks. You have emerged from the largest socialist enterprise in our country the US Army. You've been fed, clothed, sheltered, and educated by us the taxpayers. You were taken care of and told what to do most of your adult life, but now you are confronted by the real world you defended. Now you realize you don't care much for a democracy of the real world where people have to figure out how to feed, cloth, shelter, and educate themselves. That is the person I see complaining about taxes. I'm sure you see me as a cartoon as well, but I've at least attempted to communicate where I'm coming from.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

You have emerged from the largest socialist enterprise in our country the US Army. You've been fed, clothed, sheltered, and educated by us the taxpayers. You were taken care of and told what to do most of your adult life, but now you are confronted by the real world you defended. Now you realize you don't care much for a democracy of the real world where people have to figure out how to feed, cloth, shelter, and educate themselves. That is the person I see complaining about taxes. I'm sure you see me as a cartoon as well, but I've at least attempted to communicate where I'm coming from.

The difference is that I had to give up something to get those perks. I had to make many sacrifices that neither you or many other will ever have to give up. It was a business arrangement between me, and the sacrifices I had to make over 20 years, and the government, who gave me the perks, it was and is a contract, written and re-negotiated at milestones over the course of 20 years. The real world has no such contracts or responsibilities to get the perks of food, clothing, shelter, and education with the government. So I don't think there is much of a comparison. But of course you have repeatedly reinforced your assessment of my views on most subjects. I don't see you as a cartoon at all. I see you as a real person with a family and much of the same responsibilities that I have, and a significantly different view about life. You want me to tolerate what you respect, but yet you find me and my views completely non-respectable. I accepted that a long time ago. Peace.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The difference is that I had to give up something to get those perks. I had to make many sacrifices that neither you or many other will ever have to give up.

Minor quibble; You didn't have to do it, you thought it was a good deal and you took it and the others who paid for it did so without the job security you enjoyed. Condescension is an interesting poison which we both seem to like. Where interactions with you are concerned, I fall into the same klesha that you fall into whenever you talk politics. I'll try for peace, but your passion for the fringe doesn't strike me as a way to a sensible solution to our mounting debt crisis, so despite our not so dissimilar economic views we will be in conflict.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Griff

Minor quibble; You didn't have to do it, you thought it was a good deal and you took it and the others who paid for it did so without the job security you enjoyed.

Hardly a minor difference. I had a contract for job, which I had to qualify for, through an education, or I would not have gotten the job. Once the system accepted my application I had to abide by a set system of terms and conditions. And throughout that period I had to continually requalify to continue to receive my pay and benifits. That is hardly a comparison to a socialized system where your only qualification is that you have to do nothing and someone else pays your way.... for generations.

Condescension is an interesting poison which we both seem to like. Where interactions with you are concerned, I fall into the same klesha that you fall into whenever you talk politics. I'll try for peace, but your passion for the fringe doesn't strike me as a way to a sensible solution to our mounting debt crisis, so despite our not so dissimilar economic views we will be in conflict.

That may be so, but your disdain for me is well documented on this forum. I have hardly made such comments to you or about you with the exception of when I first joined, what, years ago. So be it.

I do get a laugh out of "deep throating the party line" in the same post as "socialist agenda of Obama and the Democrats"......no partisan bullshit in the latter.

And I always get a laugh out of your many partisan editorials and when those editorials are challenged, your characterization of the differing opinion expressed here as partisan talking points....no contradiction there.

I try to back my opinions with facts. Can you say the same? Of course, you characterize any facts I post as partisan talking points or demand that I prove a negative or pull out the popcorn. Common tactics when you cant support your own opinion.

Playing the race card? You care to cite some examples of how others play the race card in discussions here and you dont (NAACP is racist, mayor of Savannah is racist, etc)?

And then of course, the cock suckers, tit suckers, nazis, whores cunts....all very helpful to any discussion.

[classicman]

I contend that the reason the rioters' acted violently is because they were responding to the threat of violence, not because of some absurd, "contingency basis".

What was the threat of violence? How was this pastor "violent" from half way around the world?

[BigV]

Originally Posted by classicman

What was the threat of violence? How was this pastor "violent" from half way around the world?

Read the next paragraph.

[BigV]

xoB, I also believe such a response to such a provocation is an overreaction, to say the least. But I do empathize with them. I know I have, and every other person has, feelings and beliefs that are held so closely that an insult or a threat to those beliefs is indistinguishable from an insult or a threat to my person. And some threats to my person will be met with violence.

Where is the line between one's beliefs and one's self? What things are worth defending? Each person answers such question for themselves, but I believe we all have them, including those absurd Afghans.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by BigV

I know I have, and every other person has, feelings and beliefs that are held so closely that an insult or a threat to those beliefs is indistinguishable from an insult or a threat to my person.

I can't think of any I would kill over.

Where is the line between one's beliefs and one's self?

That's immaterial, the question is where's the line between insult and physical threat.

What things are worth defending? Each person answers such question for themselves, but I believe we all have them, including those absurd Afghans.

Defending from what, someone changing you mind(beliefs)? No one can force you to do that. Now if they threaten you with retribution for not changing your mind, then it's kick ass time.