WikiLeaks

[TheMercenary]

Some good inside info on how this guy ticks....

Dealing With Assange and the Secrets He Spilled

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/ma...t.html?_r=1&hp

[skysidhe]

wow, what a huge article. I liked reading it.

All I was missing was my bucket of popcorn. Good find merc.

[Lamplighter]

That is a fascinating article... I highly recommend reading.

It was remindful to me of the NY Times Office scenes in the movie "All The President's Men",
and I'll bet there will eventually be a movie about it all.

I felt the title was a bit misleading as there really is not much about Assange, himself.

The descriptions of his appearance or demeanor were what I would
expect of anyone put into such high tension situations.
Certainly the skipping ahead of and then returning to a group simply walking down the street doesn't say much of anything.
And of course anyone in those situations would be nervous and concerned
about how their material was being handled, maybe even paranoid.

In any case, I enjoyed the read and send thanks to Merc for posting the link.

[TheMercenary]

I was actually pretty surprised at the evenhandedness the NYT presented the subject after initially being one of the actual news organizations that was considered a conduit to his activities.

[OnyxCougar]

Can I quietly point out that Manning has been in jail for about 8 months in solitary confinement and as yet, hasn't even gone to trial?

Can I also point out (again) that Assange is not an American citizen and therefore cannot be held accountable to American law, especially when he's not in America?

Also, I'd like to add that all of the people that are screaming for his assassination (which is illegal) should be investigated and possibly even charged with a crime? Isn't it illegal to actively, publically seek the murder of another person? At the worst, isn't that a hate crime?

Link to interview with Assange, where *I* think he makes some damn good points, whether you think he's a turd or not.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Can I quietly point out that Manning has been in jail for about 8 months in solitary confinement and as yet, hasn't even gone to trial?

I see nothing wrong with that.

Can I also point out (again) that Assange is not an American citizen and therefore cannot be held accountable to American law, especially when he's not in America?

Not yet, but I have faith they will come up with something.

Also, I'd like to add that all of the people that are screaming for his assassination (which is illegal) should be investigated and possibly even charged with a crime? Isn't it illegal to actively, publically seek the murder of another person? At the worst, isn't that a hate crime?

Hate crime? Are you kidding? How did you come up with that? Hate crime against someone who exposed stolen classified documents?

[Bullitt]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Also, I'd like to add that all of the people that are screaming for his assassination (which is illegal) should be investigated and possibly even charged with a crime? Isn't it illegal to actively, publically seek the murder of another person? At the worst, isn't that a hate crime?

Stating you think someone should be killed, and actually plotting such a thing, are two very different things. Stating it is protected under the 1st Amendment. Not a hate crime. See Westboro Baptist Church as an example. Or the KKK. Sorry. Hate is ugly, but it's the other side of the free speech coin.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Bullitt

Stating you think someone should be killed, and actually plotting such a thing, are two very different things. Stating it is protected under the 1st Amendment. Not a hate crime. See Westboro Baptist Church as an example. Or the KKK. Sorry. Hate is ugly, but it's the other side of the free speech coin.

Is the fatwa requiring Salman Rushdie's execution protected?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Is the fatwa requiring Salman Rushdie's execution protected?

That was recinded long ago. Even Iran understands that kind of hate does not achieve good things.

I could not get on Khomeni's hate list either. I did try. Even among extremists, a hate list remains an elite list.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by wikipedia salman rushdie page

Hardliners in Iran have continued to reaffirm the death sentence. In early 2005, Khomeini's fatwā was reaffirmed by Iran's spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a message to Muslim pilgrims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca. Additionally, the Revolutionary Guards have declared that the death sentence on him is still valid. Iran has rejected requests to withdraw the fatwā on the basis that only the person who issued it may withdraw it, and the person who issued it – Ayatollah Khomeini – has been dead since 1989.

[TheMercenary]

Obama Winning Friends and Influencing Nations Overseas......

Good Job! not....

Information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Britain will be given to Russia as part of an arms control deal signed by President Barack Obama next week.
Defence analysts claim the agreement risks undermining Britain’s policy of refusing to confirm the exact size of its nuclear arsenal.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-secrets.html#

[BigV]

Hey mercy...

do you think the arms control treaty signed with Russia was a good idea?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by BigV

Hey mercy...

do you think the arms control treaty signed with Russia was a good idea?

I general terms I think it was long over due but not sure that it really does that much to really reduce the risk. A better idea might be to have closer relations with the Russkies but with Putin in charge I doubt that will happen.

[Uday]

Originally Posted by classicman

So Lamp - you think what he is doing is a good thing?

Is truth a bad thing?

[OnyxCougar]

Why? Because crimes carried out that serve the Government's agenda and target its opponents are permitted and even encouraged; cyber-attacks are "crimes" only when undertaken by those whom the Government dislikes, but are perfectly permissible when the Government itself or those with a sympathetic agenda unleash them. Whoever launched those cyber attacks at WikiLeaks (whether government or private actors) had no more legal right to do so than Anonymous, but only the latter will be prosecuted.

That's the same dynamic that causes the Obama administration to be obsessed with prosecuting WikiLeaks but not The New York Times or Bob Woodward, even though the latter have published far more sensitive government secrets; WikiLeaks is adverse to the government while the NYT and Woodward aren't, and thus "law" applies to punish only the former. The same mindset drives the Government to shield high-level political officials who commit the most serious crimes, while relentlessly pursuing whistle-blowers who expose their wrongdoing. Those with proximity to government power and who serve and/or control it are free from the constraints of law; those who threaten or subvert it have the full weight of law come crashing down upon them.

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Merc, how can you see nothing wrong with leaving Manning in Solitary Confinement without a trial since MAY? HE HASN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

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