Guns don't kill people ....

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

No.. why should law abiding citizens have to give up their weapons? Your theory is illogical. If some are so intent on making a new law concerning guns then they need to enforce the ones we have and make stiffer penalties for those that illegally carry.

Mass killings can occur with the use of cow manure [/hyperbole]

We shouldn't. It's hard enough getting a deer with a rifle, now I'm sposed to shoot them with a bow?

I also prefer to call them firearms. It's not really a fight between me and the deer, I'm pretty much straight up killing them.

[BigV]

Yeah, I'd agree with absurd. And since that means it's only useful for entertainment value, I'm moving on.

hq, we have LOTS of other rules in our society (another concept I know you have an allergic reaction to) that don't use absolute, zero tolerance thresholds that still make a useful positive difference. To say it's all or nothing isn't helpful. I'm looking for helpful ideas.

Also, your plea for no kvetching is similarly doomed.

[Gravdigr]

A woman woke up in the middle of the night to someone breaking down her apartment door. She grabs the gun from her nightstand as the intruder comes through her bedroom door,and shoots him dead, thus saving her life and the lives of her two young children.

Explain how this fictional use of a firearm was not defensive in nature.

[Rhianne]

He was going to kill her and her children?

[Lamplighter]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

A woman woke up in the middle of the night to someone breaking down her apartment door. She grabs the gun from her nightstand as the intruder comes through her bedroom door,and shoots him dead, thus saving her life and the lives of her two young children.

Explain how this fictional use of a firearm was not defensive in nature.

The apt building was on fire and the intruder was a fireman coming to rescue her two kids.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Gravdigr

A woman woke up in the middle of the night to someone breaking down her apartment door. She grabs the gun from her nightstand as the intruder comes through her bedroom door,and shoots him dead, thus saving her life and the lives of her two young children.

Explain how this fictional use of a firearm was not defensive in nature.

Shooting the man is an offensive act. It's offense against offense. The door was defense, it was overcome by the intruder's offense, the battering and smashing. Shooting him as he comes through the bedroom door is her OFFENSE overcoming the intruder's offensive charge.

Calling it "defense" is common, but it is a perversion of the word.

[Nirvana]

A woman in Georgia knew an intruder was in her home she was on a 3 way call with her husband and 911, she had her two children with her and her gun. Her husband told her to shoot when that guy got thru the door, he had to go thru several locked doors to find them.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/09...s-gun-control/

GOOD FOR HER

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

The apt building was on fire and the intruder was a fireman coming to rescue her two kids.

Touche'.

I didn't think of this, but given the actions of an arsonist with a gun in NY a couple weeks ago, this previously unimaginable example became real.

And it brings up a good point--shooting the man coming through the door--that objective act can be interpreted differently depending on circumstances, hm? So, what is it? Shooting someone is what? It's defense? It's offense? I'm sure the bullet catcher doesn't feel defended. It's offense.

[Nirvana]

If someone was in a fire why would they shoot someone coming thru a door? that makes no sense..

[BigV]

Good for her!

I cheer her success at protecting her family. Good job, her counter-attack worked.

[Nirvana]

Really ? counter attack?

[ZenGum]

For every anecdote like that, we can find another one where some idiot uses a gun to murder their spouse/neighbour/step child/random passing stranger for no acceptable reason.

And if my understanding of the statistics is correct, the "genuine legal defense" cases are badly outnumbered by the "criminal killing" cases.

And further, the suicides outnumber both.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Really ? counter attack?

Yes.

Look... no context...

woman shoots gun at man.


what happened?

it's an attack, bang bang bang bang. if the man was just walking along, it's an attack. if he was charging at her with a knife, it's a counter attack. Yes. I stand by my choice of words.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Nirvana

Really ? counter attack?

Yes, as in defense.

[Nirvana]

Oh I get why you choose to use inflammatory adjectives, my comment stands> REALLY? I supposed she should have used her toothpaste on him