Government Shut Down

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

So stupid (all of you, for missing [or, being incapable of comprehending] the point of anything I've written in this thread [and others]).

Oh, everyone understands "fuck you, I got mine". Anyone giving original responses to such a cliche stance is being charitable.

There are plenty of places with less government than the US. I don't envy their inhabitants.

[Perry Winkle]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

"I'd like to see him actually try to survive in the individualistic world he espouses."

I think I'd do pretty well.

How do I 'know'?

Been there and done that.

I could regale you with details but -- pffftt! -- you wouldn't believe me, I can't (in a tangible fashion, by way of the net) prove anything, and you aren't worth the trouble anyway.

You don't need to prove anything to me. I've already written you off as delusional and paranoid.

Still, I'd enjoy hearing tales of your time living as a member of a tribe in Papua New Guinea. And about how you trekked 100 miles in a day through the mountains of Nepal.

[Perry Winkle]

Originally Posted by henry quirk

Look in the mirror.

Insults only hurt when they have some degree of truth. Looks like I might have touched a nerve. And here I thought you were a steely individualist, surrounded in the impenetrable armor of his narcissism.

[henry quirk]

Just love when a thread goes belly up.

Glad I could help.

[Undertoad]

"Society has a cost and that cost is cooperation and mutual support."

Society is nuthin' but a word for a buncha folks living in close proximity to one another and not killing each other.

It becomes 'jail' when communitarians (Left and Right) decide that the one owes the many sumthin' more than not stealing and not killing.

Again with the English! You're really one of us aren't you?

[henry quirk]

"You're really one of us aren't you?"

I never claimed to be sumthin' other than a human man living in America (like a whole whack of other human men).

As I say: missin' my point (BIG time).

[henry quirk]

"individualist"

No. An individual...one who owes you nada.

[henry quirk]

"fuck you, I got mine"

Trite, but true.

Especially the 'fuck you' part.

[Happy Monkey]

So don't delude yourself into thinking that people don't understand.

[Undertoad]

Missin' mine, bro! From where I sit you responded with some kinda horseshit line that sounded interesting but didn't answer my statement at all.

[henry quirk]

"You're really one of us aren't you?"

*sigh*

Yes, I'm a man living in America who uses English (just like a whole whack of other men).

Still missin' my point in this thread (just like happy monkey).

[henry quirk]

Tell you what: if we're gonna tussle, then let's tussle.

But: I'm not gonna waste my time dancing 'round and 'round.

Go back and READ what I've posted in this thread...get the meaning of what I posted (not what you THINK I mean), then refute me.

Till any of you do this: *shrug*



Here’s your cheat sheet of relevant posts…


Keep it shut down (shut down MORE of it, and let it stay down).

And: YAY FOR DEFAULT!



"...others who think a default would have no effect..."

Assuming it gets that far: of course it'll have an effect.

That's what I'm countin' on.



"So you love it that extremists are playing right into China's hand. "

Nope. What I loved was the possibility folks might see for themselves they don't need as much 'governing' as they're told they do.

What I loved was the possibility folks might see the politicians need them a helluva lot more than they need the politicians.

What I loved was the possibility that ludicrous amounts of scrip might stop being spent on horseshit.

China: fuck 'em...what they gonna do? Without the U.S., China goes back to being just a Third World hole.

All moot anyway...*shrug*



"Great. Right up until the part where a bunch of children actually starve for lack of food aid programmes; old people actually freeze in the coming winter because they cannot heat their homes, and a rash of small businesses are crippled by the soaring cost of borrowing."

I get it: I (and folks like 'me') are supposed to carry 'them' because they can't carry themselves.

Make me.

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"You may not need that much government, but there are a fuck of a lot of people who do in fact need government."

And that’s 'their' damned problem.

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"Government didn't expand because it is some hulking beast wanting more and more."

'It' expanded 'cause the mercenary wanted more (more power, more control). To that end: generations were taught (are being taught) that bigger government is better government, that governance of the minutia of living is a necessity, and that no individual can do without the 'guidance' of 'authority.

Utter horseshit.

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"...the alternative to doing so would leave some people for dead"

An unsavory truth (fact): some folks need to die.

If X can't fend for him- or her-self, and X has no one who WANTS to help him or her, then X needs to go.

To demand I care for X is theft (of my time, resources, and self...fuck that noise).

That folks like you have to force folks like me is theft, Dana.

No other assessment makes sense.

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"I honestly don't know what it is you expect to happen if the government were to suddenly shrink to the bone.”

First, it'll never "suddenly shrink to the bone". Like smack in the vein: it's 'needed'.

Second, if it did "suddenly shrink to the bone" I expect lots of folks to suffer...some die; some make it through (and are better for it).

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"Survival of the fittest"

HA!

You write it as though it were a bad phrase.

It's not bad or good...just what 'is'.

Folks like you wanna insulate themselves from it...good luck with that.

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Tell you what, Dana: if children starving and old people freezing bother you so much, devote your time, resources, and 'self' to saving them.

Why do 'I' have to participate?

[Perry Winkle]

So to boil your statements down it's all about you. You have everything you need independent of the rest of humanity, so you really don't care what happens to anyone else. You feel you are unjustly taken advantage of because you subscribe the nonsense argument that taxes are equivalent to extortion.

Is that pretty close to the mark?

[Perry Winkle]

Honestly, it is really hard to figure out what the heck HQ is saying in between all of the regurgitated sound bites.

Can anyone in the US honestly say they benefit in no way from services provided by some form of government? (Remember, you're posting this over the internet. A government funded research experiment.)

[Happy Monkey]

He's saying "fuck you, I got mine", and pretending that there's something more profound in there that nobody is seeing.