Dirt poor?

[wolf]

Originally posted by Beestie
I'm scratching my head to come up with a word for an atheist minister. Radar, your pretty literate - help me out here.

Irreverand (Which, IIRC, would make radar Irreverand Ireland. Which I find very funny).

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by marichiko
How about the "Irreverant Reverend?" Radar became a minister because this allows him to dodge various taxes, folks. Its a tried and true Libertarian ploy. One of the things that intrigues me is that Radar gets to decide which laws he will follow and which he won't because he has apparently gotten the direct word from John or Samuel Adams and he knows the TRUTH while the rest of us do not. Actually, the voice whispering in Radar's ear is that of Ayn Rand. I've mentioned her name before. All Libertarian philosophy can be traced directly back to the writings of Ms. Rand who founded a school of thought called "Objectivism" back in the early 50's.

Radar parrots Ayn Rand left and right (mostly extreme right, of course). She is the one who popularized the statement that income taxes amount to slavery and the taking of one's life. Ms. Rand (a pen name, by the way) started out life as a member of the Russian aristocracy. Her life of wealth and priviledge was rudely interrupted by the Russian revolution of 1914. After much hardship and suffering she managed to escape Russia for the US where she settled in New York and began to turn out lengthy pot boiler novels like THE FOUNTAINHEAD and ATLAS SHRUGGED.

Her writings found a receptive audience in the cold war hysteria of the early 50's. She sounds good at first reading, but upon reflection it is easy to see how what she writes is a hysterical over reaction to her experiences under communist repression. Yeah, communism is a lousey idea, but near anarchy, extreme right wing Libertarism is not the correct response.

Ms. Rand had no formal training in economics nor was she a student of American history. His thinking was reactionary in nature and flawed at almost every turn. Yet her philosophy is the basis for Libertarianism and Radar would shoot those of us who do not agree with her.

AhHA! I *knew* this was a cult in the making! (slightly j/k folks) Isn't this attitude akin to anarchy ?

I have nothing but contempt for you, Radar. Stop driving on the Interstate you never paid for and go serve your country on the front lines. You live under a political system you won't pay a dime to support, benefiting by the sacrifices other Americans such as my father made and you threaten with death those who don't go along with your narrow minded, selfish little agenda. You lack the vocabulary to respond with anything other than obscenities toward those who call you upon your words. As far as I am concerned, YOU are the parasite.

*bowing and chanting* "I am not worthy...I am not worthy!"

[Radar]

All Libertarian philosophy can be traced directly back to the writings of Ms. Rand who founded a school of thought called "Objectivism" back in the early 50's.

Yet another lie. Libertarian philosophy goes back hundreds of years and was followed by the founders of America.

I am happy and proud that you would compare me to a genius like Ayn Rand who is your superior in every way. I'm also proud that a left-wing socialist such as yourself would consider me to be a right-wing libertarian even though there is no such thing. I'm equally happy to be called a left-wing or liberal libertarian by those on the right. It only proves I'm doing the right thing.

For this you would have executed him?

Only if he stood against me or tried to prevent me from returning America to a Constitutional Republic. He did take part in unconstitutional wars and he was certainly not defending America while he was in them (Korea & Vietnam). Whether or not I saw any combat while serving in the military is irrelevant. I would have, and still would, be the first in line to defend America against an attack, but I would not take part in the violation of the Constitution as those who took part in Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq (both times), etc. did. Had I stayed in the military, I would not have followed an order to fight in Iraq because it is an unlawful one.

I have nothing but contempt for you, Radar.

I can't say you're important enough for me to muster up much of any emotion for you, but if I had to think of how I feel about you, I suppose "disgust" and "pity" would come to mind.

Stop driving on the Interstate you never paid for and go serve your country on the front lines.

Grow up you ignorant wretch. I pay plenty of taxes, but I won't pay any income taxes because they are nothing short of slavery. If a tax is placed on a product, I can choose not to have that product, but my labor is always mine regardless of what you or the government say.

I have paid for the interstates, police, schools (even though they should be abolished), libraries, parks, etc. with the huge amount of taxes I do pay. I pay tax every time I eat out, fill my car with gas, make a phone call, stay in a hotel, buy an airplane ticket, watch cable television, etc. I pay plenty of taxes.

And since you're such a moron, let me clue you in on something. 100% OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL PARTS OF GOVERNMENT CAN BE PAID FOR WITHOUT COLLECTING A SINGLE PENNY OF INCOME TAX!!! That includes a post office, a defensive military, a judiciary, congress, president, and everything else specifically mentioned in the Constitution. We'd just have to eliminate the unconstitutional parts like welfare, social security, medicare, federally funded education, business and farm subsidies, organizations like the FCC, FDA, FBI, CIA, BATF, IRS, Homeland Security, etc.

*bowing and chanting* "I am not worthy...I am not worthy!"

This is the first correct thing you've said in a long time. You aren't worthy. You aren't worthy of the freedom the founders fought and died to create in this country. You aren't worthy to live in a country men like me currently fight to keep free and neither is your pathetic gimpy friend who is nothing but a leech.

[jaguar]

We'd just have to eliminate the unconstitutional parts like welfare, social security, medicare, federally funded education, business and farm subsidies, organizations like the FCC, FDA, FBI, CIA, BATF, IRS, Homeland Security, etc.

Erm. I'm no fan of most of these institutions but er, wouldn't it be a little hard to govern in a state overun by crime, unsafe drugs, emission hell wacking all electronic equipment to shit (thus no mobile networks, stable radio stations etc) and well, someone needs to collect the tax you think is valid. I wonder how much that is. The defence budget is over 400B these days.

Of course many of these problems didn't exist when that document was written.

Originally posted by Radar


Whether or not I saw any combat while serving in the military is irrelevant.

In other words you haven’t. Never having seen combat, you can speak blithely of taking the lives of those who oppose you.

Originally posted by Radar


I won't pay any income taxes because they are nothing short of slavery. If a tax is placed on a product, I can choose not to have that product, but my labor is always mine regardless of what you or the government say.

Radar attempts to take the moral high ground when all he has is a slippery slope. He is doing exactly what he accuses the Federal government of doing and expects the rest of us to sign off on it. Since Radar pays no income taxes, I and every other tax paying American, get to foot the bill so that Radar can drive to his tax free job everyday. The rest of us get to pay the bill for the food Radar puts on his table and which he got at a lower price thanks to Federal agricultural assistance programs. Any health care Radar recieves will be from professionals whose schooling you and I helped pay for through the public education system and government backed college tuition loans. When Radar’s wife comes to this country to set up nail shops, Radar will no doubt make use of government subsidized small business and minority owned business loans to help her set up shop. You and I will pay for this. Radar will not.

I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense. If anyone is taking advantage of me, it is Radar, far more than the Federal government. To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun. This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work. Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest. Bottom line, there is no difference between Radar’s actions as an individual and the actions he percieves the government of being guilty of. If anything, Radar is even more of a thief. At least I have the option of writing my congressman. I doubt if Radar will give us the address of his accountant.

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by marichiko
Radar attempts to take the moral high ground when all he has is a slippery slope. He is doing exactly what he accuses the Federal government of doing and expects the rest of us to sign off on it. Since Radar pays no income taxes, I and every other tax paying American, get to foot the bill so that Radar can drive to his tax free job everyday. The rest of us get to pay the bill for the food Radar puts on his table and which he got at a lower price thanks to Federal agricultural assistance programs. Any health care Radar recieves will be from professionals whose schooling you and I helped pay for through the public education system and government backed college tuition loans. When Radar’s wife comes to this country to set up nail shops, Radar will no doubt make use of government subsidized small business and minority owned business loans to help her set up shop. You and I will pay for this. Radar will not.

Blackdamnit! Yet another person I'm forced to pay for!

I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense. If anyone is taking advantage of me, it is Radar, far more than the Federal government. To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun.

Fuck that dumb shit. He wants us to pay for his shit and THEN have the nerve to take our money away, and THEN is willing to kill us beause we don't agree???

This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work. Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest. Bottom line, there is no difference between Radar’s actions as an individual and the actions he percieves the government of being guilty of. If anything, Radar is even more of a thief. At least I have the option of writing my congressman. I doubt if Radar will give us the address of his accountant.

BAM! End of story, good night, thanks for playing!

[Radar]

In other words you haven’t. Never having seen combat, you can speak blithely of taking the lives of those who oppose you.

I haven't spoken "blithely" about anything. I have been speaking gravely about a serious situation. You are the one making ludicrous comparisons to Hitler and Pol Pot. I am talking about defense. I am talking about defending my country from my government, defending myself from aggression, and defending my property from theft. And I would kill those who oppose the country and legacy of freedom given to me by the founders.

I freely admit I haven't been in combat, but again, that means nothing. You just feel the need to mention it because you think someone who has fought in combat has somehow given more to their country than someone who hasn't which is a crock of shit. Those in combat in Iraq were undermining the Constitution and America. They weren't defending America and have actually harmed America instead of doing their duty.

Since Radar pays no income taxes, I and every other tax paying American, get to foot the bill so that Radar can drive to his tax free job everyday.

No, you don't and neither does anyone else. You in particular don't pay for shit you little leech.

I pay for every single thing I use from government myself. I pay enough taxes to pay for the roads I drive on. I pay tariffs for produce grown in other countries (most is imported and not grown here because farmers are paid stolen money to NOT grow food), I pay for the healthcare I receive from the best doctors who attended private schools paid for entirely in cash by their parents, and I have never, and will never take a dollar of money from government for assistance in anything. Just because they have stolen from me, doesn't mean I'm entitled to steal from others by taking that dirty money. If I ever am in need of assistance or charity, I will get it from private non-profits, family, and friends.

I will open the nail shops by paying in cash. They are fairly cheap to open. I could open one for less than $30k.

I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense

Since I pay for every single government service I want, and many that I don't want (farm subsidies, student loans, etc) and because you don't pay squat in taxes, you are once again talking out of your ass. You are a parasite and you want to justify your theft by accusing others of doing the same.

To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun. This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work.

Wrong. It's not YOUR money. YOUR money was spent long ago to pay for some old people to eat cat food because they relied on government to help them. The money YOU are getting is someone else's money. The money of young kids working to feed money into the broke pyramid scheme of social security. Try again loser.

Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest.

Here comes the drama. Give it a rest. I haven't specifically threatened you or anyone else. I have said I WILL eliminate all unconstitutional parts of government including social security even if it must be done at the point of a gun. This isn't murder. If someone is robbing you at the point of a gun, and you shoot them, you are not guilty of murder. You have defended yourself and your property. None of your worthless lies will change the fact that defending yourself and your property is not murder. Yes, you can write your congressman to ask for a larger cut of the stolen pie and no I will not give you my address. I am my own accountant.

Your bogus claims that I am somehow getting services from government I don't pay for are laughable. And you mention services that I don't use, don't want to use, don't benefit from, and don't want to suggest I am stealing. What a joke!

You haven't got a leg to stand on........oops!

Fuck that dumb shit. He wants us to pay for his shit and THEN have the nerve to take our money away, and THEN is willing to kill us beause we don't agree???

Shut the hell up you stupid bitch. I don't take shit from you or anyone else and you get mad when I want to keep what I've worked for, to spend it on the schools I want my kids to attend, to give to charities I think are worthwhile, to get the healthcare I want, etc? You're out of your feeble little mind.

I will kill in my DEFENSE, and not otherwise. Stop stealing money from me and other Americans, and you have nothing to worry about. Stop trying to turn me and other Americans into slaves and you won't have anything to worry about.

I'm no fan of most of these institutions but er, wouldn't it be a little hard to govern in a state overun by crime, unsafe drugs, emission hell wacking all electronic equipment to shit (thus no mobile networks, stable radio stations etc) and well, someone needs to collect the tax you think is valid.

Any increases in crime would be negligible, private drug certification and testing companies could verify the safety of drugs without holding them up for 10 years and companies would still be liable for damage they cause, private organizations like the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority could keep track of electronic signals, emissions, etc. and companies would buy from the companies that were the most reliable, etc.

Give it a rest, yourself, Radar. You seriously want us to believe that you float to work on air without using a single publicly funded road, that you have found health care professionals who attended private schools from kindergarten on and made it through medical or professional training in only private colleges or universities, strictly on Daddy's money and that you only eat food which was raised or grown in foreign countries? You bet!

At least I contributed to the system - probably far more than I will ever get back from it - and if you get brownie points for paying other taxes, then so do I.

We've had more than enough politically inspired violence in this country. If you don't want people to call you on it, you shouldn't throw threats of blood shed around so lightly.

Maybe you should just go down and spit on a few of our soldiers returning from the Gulf. I'm sure that would win you lots of votes just as long as you don't use a publicly funded road to go meet their plane.

[Radar]

I drive on public roads that I PAY FOR in taxes, every time I fill my gas tank (though the toll roads are in far better shape and reasonable in price). Children go to public schools that I PAY FOR with property taxes and local sales taxes. Most of the produce I buy is from other countries because America pays farmers NOT to grow food. But even the food that is grown and subsidized here is subsidized against my will. Why should I pay for something I don't want, don't need, and certainly wouldn't use if given a choice? But even these subsidies are paid for by me in the form of tariffs. Remember I'm not against taxes, I'm against INCOME taxes and against any taxes to pay for unconstitutional parts of government.

We've had more than enough politically inspired violence in this country. If you don't want people to call you on it, you shouldn't throw threats of blood shed around so lightly.

I don't make that promise lightly. I hope we can return America peacefully to a constitutional republic but it's not looking good. And if it comes to it, I will kill in my defense. I certainly don't want this to happen. I would be far happier if government would just willingly give up the powers they have usurped, and remove the unconstitutional parts of government willingly. But how likely do you think that is to happen? Despots never give up power willingly, so it's up to those of us who still love America and still respect the principles on which this nation was built to do what is necessary to remind government that they are the servants and we are the masters and that nobody is entitled to anything based on their wants or needs.

[Brigliadore]

Originally posted by Radar
Most of the produce I buy is from other countries because America pays farmers NOT to grow food. But even the food that is grown and subsidized here is subsidized against my will.

I am just curious where you are getting your info that most of the produce we eat is grown in other countries? As of a few years ago California alone grew 60% of the produce and grain that America ate. They also accounted for 54% of the dairy products, approximately 25-30% of the meat and something like 39% of the cotton grown in this country. And that was just California, there are many other states producing food for this country. So I am genuinely curious where you got this data from as I am interested in seeing how that trend might have changed.

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally posted by blue58
Anybody ever have "gravy bread" for the main course? I remember laying in the living room eating that, watching the Wizard of Oz. Good times.

Yup, I remember the gravy bread. I still love that stuff. Anybody remember potato chip sandwiches? Talk about getting creative with those...and of course EVERYONE remembers fried bologna sandwiches!

[Beestie]

Originally posted by Lady Sidhe
Yup, I remember the gravy bread. I still love that stuff. Anybody remember potato chip sandwiches? Talk about getting creative with those...and of course EVERYONE remembers fried bologna sandwiches!

I remember banana and mayonaise sandwiches from childhood. Call me whatever but I still like them.

And LS, don't stay gone so long next time.

[Elspode]

Originally posted by Brigliadore

I am just curious where you are getting your info that most of the produce we eat is grown in other countries?

I know that the great majority of produce we get in the US is grown elsewhere *during the winter months*, but during the growing season, most everything I see at the store is domestic. Apples, especially, keep well in storage, so you get American apples year-round.

Largely, it depends on type of produce and time of year.

[Lady Sidhe]

quote:Originally posted by marichiko
Radar attempts to take the moral high ground when all he has is a slippery slope. He is doing exactly what he accuses the Federal government of doing and expects the rest of us to sign off on it. Since Radar pays no income taxes, I and every other tax paying American, get to foot the bill so that Radar can drive to his tax free job everyday. The rest of us get to pay the bill for the food Radar puts on his table and which he got at a lower price thanks to Federal agricultural assistance programs. Any health care Radar recieves will be from professionals whose schooling you and I helped pay for through the public education system and government backed college tuition loans. When Radar’s wife comes to this country to set up nail shops, Radar will no doubt make use of government subsidized small business and minority owned business loans to help her set up shop. You and I will pay for this. Radar will not.



Blackdamnit! Yet another person I'm forced to pay for!

quote:I don’t recall authorizing Radar to be a leech at my expense. If anyone is taking advantage of me, it is Radar, far more than the Federal government. To add insult to injury, Radar wants to wrest my SSDI money away from me at the point of a gun.



Fuck that dumb shit. He wants us to pay for his shit and THEN have the nerve to take our money away, and THEN is willing to kill us beause we don't agree???


quote:This is my own money which I paid into the system over a life time of hard work. Yet Radar feels free to take it from me and threatens me with murder if I protest. Bottom line, there is no difference between Radar’s actions as an individual and the actions he percieves the government of being guilty of. If anything, Radar is even more of a thief. At least I have the option of writing my congressman. I doubt if Radar will give us the address of his accountant.



BAM! End of story, good night, thanks for playing!




YEAH!! What THEY said!!

Seriously though, Radar....you're wacked. Breathe...or something.... In the immortal words of SOMEBODY from the Cellar, I forget who, "Dude, shut the fuck up. No, really. Shut the fuck up" (That one's simple, but beautiful, and I wanted to use it just once *g*).

The violence with which you espouse your Libertarianesque ideas is alarming. Honey, I've been on the receiving end of The Sharp Tongues of The Cellar, but never once, no matter how upset I got over it, did I resort to namecalling to get my point across, which you do quite often. Seems to me that if you weren't feeling threatened, you wouldn't be calling names.
Not to mention this willingness to kill over what you perceive as theft *shakes head*

Others have already contradicted you over and over concerning your...um, whatever it is you're frothing about, so I'm not going to bother. I just finished reading 15 pages of this stuff and my eyes are starting to cross...it's like reading the sermon of a fundamentalist preacher...no matter how much you prove him wrong, he's still going to insist that Satan planted the fossils there to fool us.....



Sidhe

[Lady Sidhe]

Originally posted by Beestie
I remember banana and mayonaise sandwiches from childhood. Call me whatever but I still like them.

And LS, don't stay gone so long next time.

OOH! YES! I LOVE banana and mayo sandwiches!!


Domestic difficulties made it necessary to take a sabbatical...but thanks for the welcome back!

Sidhe