Drug Wars tooooo close to home!

[Shawnee123]

Originally Posted by classicman

I've been mistaken for being "middle eastern" been pulled out of line at an airport, frisked, had all my shit gone through and almost missed my flight.... So what?

Certainly your big red white and blue t-shirt reading "I AM AN AMERICAN GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY COUNTRY" should have been a clue for your attackers, right?

[glatt]

Originally Posted by classicman

I've been mistaken for being "middle eastern" been pulled out of line at an airport, frisked, had all my shit gone through and almost missed my flight.... So what?

We all undergo increased security in airports and for some reason it's tolerated. I don't like it, but it is a special heightened secure area. This new law applies to walking down the sidewalk, driving down the road. This is every day life. This isn't a couple times a year of standing in a line and being frisked in a place where you have the option to go.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by glatt

This new law applies to walking down the sidewalk, driving down the road. This is every day life. This isn't a couple times a year of standing in a line and being frisked in a place where you have the option to go.

If true, that would make it a clear 4th amendment violation, right?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by glatt

We all undergo increased security in airports and for some reason it's tolerated. I don't like it, but it is a special heightened secure area. This new law applies to walking down the sidewalk, driving down the road. This is every day life. This isn't a couple times a year of standing in a line and being frisked in a place where you have the option to go.

That was the most blatant example - not the only one.

[Shawnee123]

Take a border state wrestling with the effects of a surge of illegal immigrants. Add Sheriff Arpaio and his unorthodox, well-chronicled brand of law enforcement — he forces male and female inmates to wear pink underwear, among other often-questioned tactics. And watch the sparks fly.

"I have compassion for the Mexican people, but if you come here illegally you are going to jail," said Sheriff Arpaio, an elected Republican, whose county is the fourth most populous in the country and among the fastest growing.

To avoid suggestions that deputies practice racial profiling, the sheriff has ordered them to find probable cause, usually a minor traffic infraction, before pulling over suspect vehicles.

I can make up 10 probable causes right now. My word against the other guy.

To people who say round up more illegal immigrants, Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County here has an answer: send out the posse.

On Wednesday, the posse, a civilian force of 300 volunteers, many of them retired deputies, are to fan out over desert backcountry, watching for smugglers and the people they guide into these parts.

That's the Night the Lights Went Out in Arizona, right?

The deputies, meanwhile, continue their patrols. Normally, Deputy Chris Scott spends his days kicking in doors and barreling through houses, serving search warrants and performing the other high-energy tasks of a special weapons and tactics officer. But before dawn one morning this week, on "illegal immigrant interdiction" patrol, Deputy Scott saw a pickup with a broken tail light drift over the center line of a desolate road near Gila Bend. He flicked on the emergency lights of his unmarked sport utility vehicle and pulled over the pickup.

Barely mentioning the reason for the stop — state law prohibits driving over the center line or with a broken light — he peppered the driver and five passengers with questions: "Licencias?" "You have identification?" "These guys work with you very long?"

After several backup deputies arrived, they determined that the men were not being smuggled, although some appeared to be here illegally and were turned over to the Border Patrol.

"I think word is getting out, and they are skirting around us," Deputy Scott said later as he cruised without finding much suspicious activity.

Hahahahahaaaa...I don't know what's funnier, this asshat saying "Ohhhh, now they're onto us" when it's probably just the way it always is (but which doesn't make for good publicity) or the fact that, if what he says is true, he's admitting that they've already thwarted the law!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/10/us/10smuggle.html

[classicman]

That article is from 2006.

Nothing will really change until we secure our borders.

[Shawnee123]

Oh. Well, thanks for clearing me up.

Now leave me alone.

[jinx]

I can make up 10 probable causes right now. My word against the other guy.

Let's assume the worst. It's so much fun to be all pissed off all the time isn't it?! yay...

[Cloud]

is it okay and/or legal to walk around outside without identification? I sure hope it is, in this country. Of course, if I were hispanic or hispanic looking, like my BD#1 and her children, maybe it isn't. How do you prove a negative?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Just what's being reported; that the new law "requires police to question people if there is reason to suspect they're in the United States illegally."

Originally Posted by classicman

I've been mistaken for being "middle eastern" been pulled out of line at an airport, frisked, had all my shit gone through and almost missed my flight.... So what?

Originally Posted by Cloud

is it okay and/or legal to walk around outside without identification? I sure hope it is, in this country. Of course, if I were hispanic or hispanic looking, like my BD#1 and her children, maybe it isn't. How do you prove a negative?

Let's not forget about the illegal Irish, ethiopians, Latvians, and Cambodians.

[Shawnee123]

Assuming the worst?

What am I pissed off about?

You've lost your touch.

Let me borrow a tactic from the Classic School of Discussion, too..."WHAT???"

[Shawnee123]

Yeah, xenophobes LOVE this law. Keep everyone away from our neighborhoods and our childrens, they might find themselves associating with "DIFFERENT" "OUTSIDERS" which will most certainly tear apart the very fabric of what this country was founded upon.

[jinx]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Yeah, xenophobes LOVE this law. Keep everyone away from our neighborhoods and our childrens, they might find themselves associating with "DIFFERENT" "OUTSIDERS" which will most certainly tear apart the very fabric of what this country was founded upon.

Yup, xenophobes and racists... hate away shawnee.

[Shawnee123]

You're an illegal optician! I just KNOW it.

[Shawnee123]

You're really stretching. I'm not sure why you're all over my shit these days, but I've seen you pulling it on others lately.

Lots of people have noticed, but wouldn't say anything to you, out of fear I guess.

You've said nothing that even remotely discusses any of it, but you call me a hater for questioning this authority? How dare me, to question authority. I MUST be a hater, to not sit back and nod that those in charge have to be right, or they wouldn't be in charge, right?

Really stretching, hon. I won't cry and come back to apologize to you, like most. So, have fun with whatever you're trying to accomplish. I'm, frankly, bored with it already.

And, one last thing...some of you were bitching and moaning about the politics thread. You wanted the Cellar to be kinder and gentler: apparently those people were tired of political discussions. You said it was a hater's thread. You've told ME In the past to ignore threads I don't like. Yet you're worse, you don't say what your convictions are, but you will say nasty things to those who are talking about issues. I didn't think you cared. Maybe you don't care, you just like waiting around to piss people off.

Have fun with that. I don't get it, but have fun with it.