8/21/2003: Huge pig sacrificed

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
Oooh, I feel a lot of love in the room.

NOTICE TO EVERYONE
If I should inadvertently post something that offends your sensibilities, fuck you.
THAT IS ALL

Point well made, Brucey. Can we all move on now

[Dagney]

Originally posted by LUVBUGZ
I was talking directly to Whit, not to you, not to the Cellar in general.

You post it in a public forum, it is open for all to see, think about, and most definitely comment on.

I've seen you twist and turn comments over the past few weeks to make an innocent comment turn into something that someone is using as a 'weapon' against you. And you know what, that's just not fair to those of us who are _trying_ to be nice to you.

I've seen quite a few people offer you some advice on how to take the folks around here...those people have been around for a while, and they know the Cellar folks...a number of them have met personally. I've met a few of them personally myself. And I will guarantee you, if you're being attacked, you'll know it...simply because one of them will hand you your ass and make you thank them for the lesson you've just been taught.

So, do us all a favor, learn how to take a comment with a grain of salt, understand that it's NOT directed at YOU personally, and get a grip on things.

Shall we?

Dagney

The perturbed.

Oh, and in case there were any questions, that WAS directed at YOU personally.

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by Dagney


You post it in a public forum, it is open for all to see, think about, and most definitely comment on.

I've seen you twist and turn comments over the past few weeks to make an innocent comment turn into something that someone is using as a 'weapon' against you. And you know what, that's just not fair to those of us who are _trying_ to be nice to you.

I've seen quite a few people offer you some advice on how to take the folks around here...those people have been around for a while, and they know the Cellar folks...a number of them have met personally. I've met a few of them personally myself. And I will guarantee you, if you're being attacked, you'll know it...simply because one of them will hand you your ass and make you thank them for the lesson you've just been taught.

So, do us all a favor, learn how to take a comment with a grain of salt, understand that it's NOT directed at YOU personally, and get a grip on things.

Shall we?

Dagney

The perturbed.

Oh, and in case there were any questions, that WAS directed at YOU personally.

I realize this is an open to the public forum, but if I specifically address a particular person by naming that person in my post I would thank you to not turn my comment to a specific person into a broad generalization and assume that that particluar comment is intended for you when it is obvious that I'm not directing it to you. I don't know what your fucking problem is, but unless I'm talking to you or addressing the entire Cellar, BUTT THE FUCK OUT!!! Every time I make a post there is some fuck head making some snide remark to me, which would be perfectly fine except that when I do the same exact thing I'm an asshole who doesn't know how to communicate, blah, blah, blah. Jesus Christ, you're turning me into a fucking Quzah who doesn't give a fuck what it says or how it says it. If that's how you like it than fuck you, that's how I'll do it. I've tried to put an end to this bullshit in a civilized manner, but apparently that doesn't work with you, DAGNEY. Don't you have better things to do with your time here than to give me a blast of shit every time I make a post. Go find someone else to bitch to, I'm getting sick of your crap and I've reached well beyond the point of being "perturbed", I'm fucking pissed now. If I "perturb" you so much than don't waste your time making posts to me or about me, go on about your friendly, nice way bringing your joyful commentary to someone other than me.

[xoxoxoBruce]

C'mon BUGZ, this is getting out of hand.

I'm thinking this may be a pretty quiet place if we're not allowed to say anything that may be deemed 'offensive' to anyone who's here, passing by, reading, or possibly even on the same planet as the Cellar.

That statement was absolutely true and appropriate. I really don't see how you can take that as an attack on yourself even if it was directed at you.
You have as much right as anybody to blast away, but I would suggest you aim more carefully, because I love you and I want you to be happy.

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
C'mon BUGZ, this is getting out of hand.
That statement was absolutely true and appropriate. I really don't see how you can take that as an attack on yourself even if it was directed at you.
You have as much right as anybody to blast away, but I would suggest you aim more carefully, because I love you and I want you to be happy.

Posts like this are exactly what I'm talking about. Bruce, I love you and you love me, I know, but why is it that *I'm* getting out of hand, why aren't you telling the people who continue to dwell on this matter that *they* are getting out of hand. If we could kindly move on to other things, that would be great, but as long as someone feels the need to talk shit, I'm going to dish it right back. The fact remains that I was talking specifically to Whit, who in his reply seemed satisfied with my comment (I believe we both were able to sense the sarcasm in the air), and I don't need Dagney's 2-cents worth. She's the one who "twisted and turned" my comment to Whit into a broad generalization and took it upon herself to redirect it towards herself. I can not be held responsible for what people to with my words once I write them down. I don't consider everything people say as a direct "attack" on myself, but when they make a point of directing a smart-ass comment to me then I will respond as I see fit.

[Dagney]

Originally whined by LUVBUGZ
I realize this is an open to the public forum, but if I specifically address a particular person by naming that person in my post I would thank you to not turn my comment to a specific person into a broad generalization and assume that that particluar comment is intended for you when it is obvious that I'm not directing it to you.

Then perhaps you should re-examine the concept of a public message board. You post here, and you're open for public comment, disagreement, argument and perhaps even ridicule. If you're not able to hang with the big dogs, as the saying goes, perhaps you should stay on the porch. And as a point of reference, you will notice that I'm able to conduct myself without the use of profanity. (That's also a plus, it tends to not offend those caught in the crossfire)

If you can't handle the fact that someone may disagree with you, and have the 'nerve' to SAY so, then you should either keep your comments to yourself, take your conversations private, or find a forum where you CAN deal with it. (I hear AOL is still taking customers....)

I don't know what your fucking problem is, but unless I'm talking to you or addressing the entire Cellar, BUTT THE FUCK OUT!!!

My problem. Well, it's simple. And believe it or not, it's NOT you. It's the way you handle yourself. I've seen you insult quite a few people around here. Some of which I've met personally, some of which I respect because they know a heck of a lot more about things than I do. And because I'd be willing to bet that a lot of them know a heck of a lot more about some things than YOU do. The way I look at it is this, you've come into the family's house, and taken the opportunity to defecate in our living room. And you know what? That's just unexcusable. (I use that reference, because if I remember correctly, you collect different specimens of animal droppings.)

Every time I make a post there is some fuck head making some snide remark to me, which would be perfectly fine except that when I do the same exact thing I'm an asshole who doesn't know how to communicate, blah, blah, blah.

You may want to look back over the last few days, but I most definitely was NOT the person who said that you did not know how to communicate. I merely mentioned that it seemed that you were turning every person who may have had an opinion that differed in the slightest from you into a raving stupid lunatic. Well, I'm sorry, but most of us are not stupid, or lunatics, but we do have our moments when we rave. (But that's not the point here.)

Jesus Christ, you're turning me into a fucking Quzah who doesn't give a fuck what it says or how it says it.

You can't be made to feel inferior without your permission. Elanor Roosevelt said that. (But she didn't check with someone more knowledgable first, so perhaps she doesn't know what SHE's talking about either). Your talent for turning anything into an attack is particularly troublesome. Those who lash out the most are generally those who are hurting the most. And I hope that at some point in time you are able to find the ability to see that a disagreement is NOT an attack.

If that's how you like it than fuck you, that's how I'll do it. I've tried to put an end to this bullshit in a civilized manner, but apparently that doesn't work with you, DAGNEY.

I have not seen much evidence of putting things behind you in any sort of a civilized manner. You jump from thread to thread sniping folks who aren't involved in the conversation at hand, or making accusations of people who've not even participated in a conversation. (I was real impressed with your comment of people who didn't participate in your spaying/nutering thread....)

Don't you have better things to do with your time here than to give me a blast of shit every time I make a post.

I've hardly commented or given you a blast of fecal residue every time you've made a post. If you're inviting me to....I'll be more than happy to start. And although I've got plenty of OTHER things to do with my time, I feel that THIS is necessary.

Go find someone else to bitch to, I'm getting sick of your crap and I've reached well beyond the point of being "perturbed", I'm fucking pissed now.

Wah. Shall I say this again? WAH. Quit your crying, and get over yourself. I've not yet begun to snipe on YOU dear. Don't push buttons if you don't want to open the box. Okay?

If I "perturb" you so much than don't waste your time making posts to me or about me, go on about your friendly, nice way bringing your joyful commentary to someone other than me.

What? And miss the fun of watching that vein in your forehead throb?


Now, if you'd like to know my personal opinion of you, you know where to find me.

(oh, and guess what, you HAVE made it all about you)

Dagney

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally posted by LUVBUGZ
Posts like this are exactly what I'm talking about. Bruce, I love you and you love me, I know, but why is it that *I'm* getting out of hand, why aren't you telling the people who continue to dwell on this matter that *they* are getting out of hand. If we could kindly move on to other things, that would be great, but as long as someone feels the need to talk shit, I'm going to dish it right back. The fact remains that I was talking specifically to Whit, who in his reply seemed satisfied with my comment (I believe we both were able to sense the sarcasm in the air), and I don't need Dagney's 2-cents worth. She's the one who "twisted and turned" my comment to Whit into a broad generalization and took it upon herself to redirect it towards herself. I can not be held responsible for what people to with my words once I write them down. I don't consider everything people say as a direct "attack" on myself, but when they make a point of directing a smart-ass comment to me then I will respond as I see fit.

But Sweetheart, when Whit goosed me, you jumped in and made it about you, when it really wasn't.
Then Dag made a post that, as I said before was IMO true and appropriate, you jumped all over her. In a very nasty and personal way too.
The best way not to catch 'em is not to bait 'em. Relax, pet the puppies, think about what you're going to get me for Christmas.

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce

But Sweetheart, when Whit goosed me, you jumped in and made it about you, when it really wasn't.
Then Dag made a post that, as I said before was IMO true and appropriate, you jumped all over her. In a very nasty and personal way too.
The best way not to catch 'em is not to bait 'em. Relax, pet the puppies, think about what you're going to get me for Christmas.

Brucey, if you reread those posts, you will realize that Whit was not only goosing you, but me too by subtly refering to a post I made in the lovely and pleasent new Pagen thread where I SARCASTICALLY stated that I wouldn't take your word on the meaning of "graven images" unless Els validated it Come on people read, read thoroughly, then read again if you have to. So much of this bickering crap is due to people taking little bits and pieces out of posts and "twisting and turning" them into something their not. If your gonna bitch about something get your facts (and quotes) together before starting shit about um. So, as long as Whit was goosing me too I have every right to goose him back:p

As far as Dagney's last post, I had a real juicy reply going when I accidentally erased it, then I sat back and said why the fuck am I buying into all her crap for? So she hates me, big fucking deal, she ain't the first and won't be the last. So, in an effort to end this shit, I'm simply not going to reply. If she feels the need to continue I will oblige, but the proverbial ball is in her court now.

[Dagney]

Originally posted by LUVBUGZ
As far as Dagney's last post, I had a real juicy reply going when I accidentally erased it, then I sat back and said why the fuck am I buying into all her crap for? So she hates me, big fucking deal, she ain't the first and won't be the last. So, in an effort to end this shit, I'm simply not going to reply. If she feels the need to continue I will oblige, but the proverbial ball is in her court now.

Kindly do not put words in my mouth.

If I hate you, I'll tell you. And seeing as though you've officially hit my "let's skip these posts, I don't need the aggravation" list, we've not got anything to worry about, now do we?

Dagney.

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by Dagney


Kindly do not put words in my mouth.

If I hate you, I'll tell you. And seeing as though you've officially hit my "let's skip these posts, I don't need the aggravation" list, we've not got anything to worry about, now do we?

Dagney.

Nope, it appears we don't.

[juju]

Originally posted by juju
I find that people who are new to the internet often have problems interpreting moods and intent behind the written word. Lots of times, one sentence or phrase can be interpreted five or six different ways. It takes practice to work around this, but I'm sure you'll get it in time. But don't worry... we <i>all</i> went through this phase.

Hey, Bugz... I'm sensing that I might have offended you with what I said here. If that's true, I was just wondering what it was here that you took offense to?

I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to understand why you think I'm attacking you.

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by juju

Hey, Bugz... I'm sensing that I might have offended you with what I said here. If that's true, I was just wondering what it was here that you took offense to?

I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to understand why you think I'm attacking you.

Juju, this thread is so friggin' long, and my pooter is so slow, I tried to go back to your original post, but it was driving me nuts. Since you seem to know right where it is could you give me a date so I can find it more easily? From what I can recall I didn't take offense to your post though. In fact, somewhere I mentioned that I appreciated your attempts to keep the communication flowing in a positive direction around here. I don't think you are "attacking" me, but sometimes it seems like many people are bitching at me at once so I may have responded defensively to your comment, if so, I apologize.

[juju]

My comment was actually in this thread on 9/5, and then you referred to it in this other thread, where you said:

Hey Els, I'm back over here where it is safe. I just got my ass chewed over in the new Pagan Thread. It appears I have difficulty communicating w/ others. Funny, I didn't think *we* had any problem communicating. Oh well, goes to show how much I know.

I guess you could have been referring to Dagney, but since I more directly referenced communication, I thought you meant me. Also, in this thread, you sort of refer to it again:

Every time I make a post there is some fuck head making some snide remark to me, which would be perfectly fine except that when I do the same exact thing I'm an asshole who doesn't know how to communicate, blah, blah, blah.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but you did mention it twice.

[LUVBUGZ]

Originally posted by juju
...I guess you could have been referring to Dagney, but since I more directly referenced communication, I thought you meant me... Also, in this thread, you sort of refer to it again...Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but you did mention it twice.

I see what your saying Juju, although I didn't take your "I find that people who are new to the internet often have problems interpreting moods and intent behind the written word. Lots of times, one sentence or phrase can be interpreted five or six different ways. It takes practice to work around this, but I'm sure you'll get it in time. But don't worry... we all went through this phase" comment offensive, nor did I consider it a direct "attack" on me, I guess the general "poor communication idea" that was swirling around at the time stuck in my head. Another thing I find going on is the "sarcasm" issue. I have many a time warned people of my propensity towards sarcasm and all is good as long as everyone involved is on the same page, but then someone comes in out of the blue and starts taking things out of context and turns sarcastic whips into nasty comments. Which I find interesting because most times they in turn use subtle sarcasm in their comments and when I call them on it or "return fire" they act like they don't know what the hell I'm talking about when it is soooo obvious to me that they do

[juju]

Isn't it true that <i>no one</i> chewed you out in the Pagan thread?