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Which has nothing to do with us. Britain is as far from free as a nation can get.
They decided some time ago that to fight the terrorists the government would just terrorize their own people.
The US needs to learn from the UK and do the exact opposite and stand fast, have the strength of our convictions.
If you give up your freedom, there is nothing to protect... might as well go ahead and blow everything up yourselves.

[Sundae]

My post was in direct response to Fargon's, I was only pointing out that home-grown terrorism isn't recent or purely a US problem. Had I been suggesting the UK has the best way to deal with terrorism I would have written that.

[Aliantha]

rkz...your posts lately have been incredibly aggressive and ill considered in my opinion. Insulting even. It's quite clear that no nation on this earth has come up with a good way of fighting terrorism, including the USA. Might I remind you of all the problems you are having at the moment?

Don't turn yourself into a hypocritical yank mate.

[Rexmons]

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty we're free at last!

[tw]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

rkz...your posts lately have been incredibly aggressive and ill considered in my opinion. Insulting even. It's quite clear that no nation on this earth has come up with a good way of fighting terrorism, including the USA.

Can you blame him? I am told the Washington Beltway has signs that read "Report suspicious activity". IOW bring back Sen Joseph McCarthy. We have had this fear of mythical terrorism for longer than America was in WWII. Finally the reality of all these 'terrorist hiding among us' (ie another Orange Alert) is being acknowledged as mythical. At what point do we notice the common factor promoting mythical fears and thereby creating enemies among us?

Nations are creating their own home grown terrorism, instead, by promoting fear. Notice that every 'potential terrorism attack' is ill conceived, had no equipment, had no real plan, and was created mostly by anger towards the US government.

Furthermore, even 11 September probably could have been averted had Federal agents, multiple times in multiple cities, been permitted by the George Jr administration to investigate.

Terrorism is easy to stop when political agendas don't create them up front and when the little people - those Federal agents - are permitted to do their job without a Fatherland Security agenda.

Biggest problem America has is a government so corrupt as to even destroy the records so that these wacko extremists (people that TheMercenary and Urbane Guerrilla love) can remain in power and not be prosecuted. The biggest problem America has is fascism that even justified torture.

The biggest problem America has: Its people are just beginning to realize what Monty Python was warning us about. "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."

BTW, did you learn the latest? Government can read any electronic communication without judicial review - without a search warrant - if that communication is stored. If your e-mail is in transient, then government cannot read it. But if your e-mail is stored in a POP3 server, then government can access it. Americans and non-Americans alike have no right to privacy - except when the communication is in transient. Just another example of how wacko fascist extremist this George Jr administration has become because they must save us from ourselves.

Does this sound like a nation of freedom, laws, and human rights? No. This sounds more like Nazi Germany where homegrown terrorism and spying become more frequent.

"We have met the enemy and he is us". We were warned of this almost 40 years ago. Deja vue. That is where America's biggest problem lies. A problem openly advocated, endorsed, and encouraged by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, TheMercenary, and Urbane Guerrilla. The basic concept of America under attack in the tradition of Sen Joseph McCarthy, blacklisting, and mythical fears of an enemy hiding among us.

Did you notice that those who are a greatest threat to America (51 of the 88) even conveniently destroyed the evidence? After all, their political agenda is more important than rule of law, basic human rights, or the principles that define American. Burn the evidence. Justified by their political agenda to save us from ourselves. Therein lays a greatest problem in America.

"Report suspicious activity. Zieg heil."

Originally Posted by Aliantha

rkz...your posts lately have been incredibly aggressive and ill considered in my opinion. Insulting even. It's quite clear that no nation on this earth has come up with a good way of fighting terrorism, including the USA. Might I remind you of all the problems you are having at the moment?

Don't turn yourself into a hypocritical yank mate.

I'm not, there is freedom and there rest. Either you believe in freedom or you do not. Vote Ron Paul.
Reading aggressive emotion into my posts is on your side.
We will do much better as soon as we get rid of BushCo. and out of the Middle East, let them deal with it themselves.
That the UK is no longer a free nation and that Australia is on it's way are facts, nothing insulting about a fact.

[Sundae]

I think Ali migh have been responding directly to your response to my post. Again, I reiterate - all I was doing was stating that at least three countries had experienced terrorism by citizens. Spain by ETA, Japan by Aum Shinrikyo, the UK during the Troubles. None of this refers to Islam, Sept 11th, America etc.

I didn't mean to suggest we (other countries) dealt well with terrorism. I just meant that we had experience. You're new at it. If you can teach us a lesson we'd be very happy to learn it.

One thing no one should do, is treat their own innocent citizens like terrorists.

[Aliantha]

You are correct SG.

rkz, I happen to know people who are involved in anti-terrorism over here. In no way do they treat 'innocent australians' as terrorists.

Why don't you get your own country straight before you condemn others who are no more guilty of the same crimes you are? Even less in fact. We don't have illegal wire tapping for example.

Also, you talk all the time about overthrowing the government (this is for you also tw). What exactly are you doing to get rid of Bush then? Sitting on your hands waiting for someone else to make the first move? Or better yet, just hoping you get rid of him at the next election.

Yeah right, Australia is a terrible place.

Really. How do they view people who wanted to keep their guns when they decided to disarm their citizens so the government could "monitor" an unarmed population?

I will vote to get rid of him. If there is no election I will join any force that will try to do so with other means. It is not legal for him to run again.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never implied that.

[Aliantha]

You certainly did imply that rkz, intentionally or otherwise. I think you'll find others from Australia or the UK will back me up on that.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say in your first statement, Really. How do they view people who wanted to keep their guns when they decided to disarm their citizens so the government could "monitor" an unarmed population?

It is a question. Up to you to answer it accurately.

[Aliantha]

OK, I don't understand the question. Who is 'they' and what do you mean by, so the government could "monitor" an unarmed population

If you don't understand it, then you can't be offended by it.

[Aliantha]

Your posts being insulting is different to me being offended by what you've posted.

Aside from that, it was previous statements that I applied that sentiment to.

Are you going to create understanding or just have it your way?