Smart Meters

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by dar512

Appliances that make heat use the most electricity.

Appliances that make cold are pretty greedy too.

[skysidhe]

Something's being greedy and methinks it's the electric company.

[Undertoad]

NY Times: 'Smart' Electric Utility Meters, Intended to Create Savings, Instead Prompt Revolt

Elizabeth Keogh, a retired social worker in Bakersfield, Calif., who describes herself as “a bit chintzy,” has created a spreadsheet with 26 years of electric bills for her modest house. She decided that her new meter was running too fast.

Ms. Keogh reported to the utility that the meter recorded 646 kilowatt-hours in July, for which she paid $66.50; last year it was 474 kilowatt-hours, or $43.37.

At a hearing in October organized by her state senator, Ms. Keogh took out two rolls of toilet paper — one new, one half used up — and rolled them down the aisle, showing how one turned faster than the other. “Something is wrong here,” she said.

Scores of electric customers with similar complaints have turned out at similar hearings. At one in Fresno, Calif., Leo Margosian, a retired investigator, testified that the new meter logged the consumption of his two-bedroom townhouse at 791 kilowatt-hours in July, up from 236 a year earlier. And he had recently insulated his attic and installed new windows, Mr. Margosian said.

You're part of a growing movement, sky... in the very worst way, but at least it appears you're not alone and now the Times has noticed.

[skysidhe]

I don't think the complaints will get very far except to elicit more fear into those who already distrust this administration. The bama haters will take this fault of the smart meters as proof of a fascist regime.

I am not going to go that far but I do think this is the very worst time for the government to be rolling out a new technology. Some people, who rely on electric for their heat have massive usage bills. Previous 100 dollar bills jump to 300 dollar charges. I feel terrible for the seniors on fixed incomes.

Maybe if we were living with peace on earth in the land of perpetual sunshine and employment for everyone was just something we could once again take for granted then maybe we wouldn't mind the government gambling on peoples last dollars for the benefit of digital controlled appliances. I know that's blase at best.

There's more than just green technology. I can think of those futuristic shows where lights come on voice command but there's also another control factor that gets my hackles up. I can't even voice them out loud. It seems like others already are though.

Ok there are the conspiracy theory sites. I am not saying I am buying into it but I am watching closely.


http://poorrepublican.today.com/2009...ol-the-switch/

Meter measurement of electricity by the hour or less. That means they can measure your use at any given time and monitor and log it. The meter proponents say this is to help you control your usage by feedback. It’s actually to control your usage by making sure you meet whatever guidelines Obama has put in place, such asthis proposal in England.
Ability to “throttle” electricity by setting a maximum amount usable at any given time or per hour, per day, etc. Why build this ability into the meters unless you plan on using it? This means Obama’s EcoNazis will tell you how much electricity to use and when. First it will be “voluntary” and based on price. If that doesn’t work, because you are willing or able to pay what it takes to use what you want, they will simply ration your power to make you conform to the limits Obama sets. They will use the meter to set a level of power that they decide you are allowed to have and you will get no more. Period. You can cook, but not watch TV at the same time. You can watch tv, but not have your computer on. Get the picture so far?
Ability to detect unauthorized use of electricity. See above.
Bi-directional communication. Self explanatory. They can’t decide how much you can use unless they have a good database of your usage, right?
Ability to interface with water and gas meters. One stop shopping for the EcoNazis. You use too much gas? Bad for global warming. Sorry, but we’ll have to set limits on that too. Take faster showers, buddy.
They’ll even be able to calculate your “carbon footprint” by integrating the data from all your usages, and then set limits on everything based on that. Oh, that sounds paranoid, doesn’t it?



http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/oba..._smart_meters/
What really caught my attention was this “Smart Meters” thing. During the campaign Obama said that we can’t just have our thermostats set wherever we want (even though he sure likes cranking the thermostat in his own office, the big hypocrite). Is this “Smart Meters” thing a way for the government to monitor our energy consumption?
It appears as though it is, and I wonder if the Smart Meters the “stimulus bill’ is going to put into place are going to report our energy consumption to the government? If so, what an awful thing!
If the government starts monitoring our energy consumption, it will only be so long until the government is dictating to us how much energy we can use.
And what does that have to do with freedom and liberty?
It should would have been nice if we could have read and debated this bill before Democrats pushed it through Congress.

[skysidhe]

oh but those sites sure do a good job digging up some dirt.

This is quite revealing. (From the sayanythingblog)
Here’s what Obama had to say about thermostats on the campaign trail:

We can’t drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we’re living in the desert or we’re living in the tundra and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world’s energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we’ll be fine. Don’t worry about us. That’s not leadership.

Here’s news of Obama cranking the thermostat in the Oval Office to offset winter chills;

NYT: WASHINGTON — The capital flew into a bit of a tizzy when, on his first full day in the White House, President Obama was photographed in the Oval Office without his suit jacket. There was, however, a logical explanation: Mr. Obama, who hates the cold, had cranked up the thermostat.
“He’s from Hawaii, O.K.?” said Mr. Obama’s senior adviser, David Axelrod, who occupies the small but strategically located office next door to his boss. “He likes it warm. You could grow orchids in there.”

So, whither the leadership Mr. Obama? Or are you just another “do as I say not as I do” limousine liberal? One who uses global warming alarmism to justify all sorts of policies that undermine our freedoms and burden our financial lives while simultaneously living a life of lavish energy consumption?
That’s not change we can believe in.

[classicman]

Careful there sky . . . thats blasphemy to some.

[tw]

Originally Posted by classicman

Careful there sky . . . thats blasphemy to some.

Nothing ever changes. More cheap shots from an extremist hiding in a cave. Not one useful fact. No knowledge demonstrated. Just another cheap shot. If he came out of the cave, a trolls pathetic dribbling would be obvoius.

What would the informed and intelligent post? Even the Cellar has been powered via an intelligent electric meter for years. Why is that meter not causing higher electric bills?

The original complaint sounds like some programmer has programmed a math error. And his boss is so technically ignorant as permit failures to continue.

A responsible extremist would have asked for numbers from the meter itself. Nothing has changed. classicman never proposes a solution. Otherwise someone might take a cheap shot at him.

First get facts. What are numbers on that meter - taken daily? How do those numbers correspond with numbers from the bill? Not dollars. Kilowatt hours.

Depending in the meter, meter may also provide another important number - power factor. Another useful number - how many kilowatts (not kilowatt hours) are consumed (reported) at any one time? And what appliances are actually on then?

Those numbers would mean nothing to you. But are necessary so that the few who actually learned reality will reply usefully. Without cheap shots from a cave.

[classicman]

Uh, that was sarcasm there Tommy boy.

How ya been. Work keepin you busy lately?

[skysidhe]

well well well

Have you ever heard of the saying,"Don't shoot the messenger?"

Did I say I am not buying into conspiracy theories? Yes I did.

Did I say my electric bill spiked by double? Yes I did.

Did I say I am an extremest? No I did not. I am a middle of the road registered Democrat who thinks she is going to switch to independent. Not that will help anything but I can choose to what I want to be affiliated with and I am not an extremest for any camp.

Good job classic bringing TW out of hiding or may I say good team work.

We had that planned all along.

[tw]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

Did I say I am an extremest?

Only the extremist posting cheap shots was quoted. Meanwhile, solutions were provided for those who are not (unless you want to be).

[classicman]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

I am a middle of the road registered Democrat who thinks she is going to switch to independent. Not that will help anything but I can choose to what I want to be affiliated with and I am not an extremest for any camp.

Welcome aboard. I came from the other camp.

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by skysidhe

@ zen I was wrong. It's double. I know 10 x is scary.

Well you are wrong again, it's not double, it's about 60% higher, not double, but still a lot.

660kw /32 days = 20.6kw day
358kw /28 days = 12.8kw day

[xoxoxoBruce]

60% = 0.6, and that rounds to 1.0... double. :p

[ZenGum]

If it keeps going at this rate, by New Years, it will have been free!

[skysidhe]

lol zen you're always funny

'I am wrong'. Not only wrong but wrong 'again'.
That's so obvious I think I'll make it my user title.
weee!

Thanks Bruce. You got my mean math skills down.

Originally Posted by classicman

Welcome aboard. I came from the other camp.

Thank you. I think we need a revolution.