8/14/2003: Fake (?) 3D in animated GIF - Page 2

Senor Oso · 08-14-2003, 06:37 PM

Okay, it really is a nifty effect, but am I the only one who started to feel a little seasick after about 30 seconds of watching it?

ndetroit · 08-14-2003, 06:40 PM

I'm actually really surprised that more pr0n sites haven't latched onto this technology. In a market so completely oversaturated with product, it sure would be nice to have a key technological differentiator.

....

ps: dave, i thought your comment was pretty funny, even if most everyone else missed it..

xoxoxoBruce · 08-14-2003, 06:51 PM

Net nailed it. Pop-ups and banners for the porn boys.

juju · 08-14-2003, 06:58 PM

Yeah, but you actually have to be in the business of creating your own porn in order to get the two different shots required to make the 3d-ish image. I would think that that would sigificantly narrow down the prospective people who could do such a thing.

SteveDallas · 08-14-2003, 08:33 PM

If you want 3-D pr0n there are regularly 50s era pingup stereo slides for sale on ebay. They're usually on the pricy side, at least for my budget--they rarely go for less than $10 per slide. There's also this and this. One photographer who's done a lot of nudes said on a stereo photography mailing list said that he's been able to get some publishers interested in his photos, but they just want to publish them as 2-D images, not stereo.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-14-2003, 09:30 PM

I meant just the advertising, Juju. On a site like Consumptionjunction where the page is outlined with porn banners, it would stand out.

Nothing But Net · 08-15-2003, 12:52 AM

If my toes ain't tappin' then don't come a rappin'

<img src="http://www.newzucanuze.com/images/Proof.gif">

hairdog · 08-15-2003, 07:20 AM

What's that, uh, thing, hanging between his legs? Is it his ween? Or is it an unfortunately-placed tab to snap into his chair? Either way, it's a hoot. Did you do that in 20 seconds on Microsoft GIF animator?

08-15-2003, 07:35 AM

Hehe. Ween! There it is again.

That Guy · 08-15-2003, 11:21 AM

I was wondering what the hell you guys were talking about for just a few seconds there. I even went to this guy's site, and didn't see any of it. I was starting to think this was like those crap-tacular "stereo images" that were so popular in the mall back in the 90's, because I still can't see what's going on with those damn things. Then it dawned on me...

tjennings · 08-18-2003, 10:04 AM

Cool, I can get my face really close to the monitor and pretend I'm in a eartquake. The ultra-calm naked people kind of destroy the illusion though.

SteveDallas · 08-18-2003, 04:09 PM

Hmmm, an interesting exercise, but I'll stick with more traditional stereo presentations. The rotational effect is disturbing (and it's more pronounced in a shot like this that has a distance between the closest and farthest objects), and the color reduction to GIF is not flattering.

OK I've edited this to brin it up to a better size.

Elspode · 08-18-2003, 04:29 PM

Still a bitchin' first try, though, SD. More, please?

SteveDallas · 08-18-2003, 09:52 PM

Maybe

See, the thing is, I have a vintage 1950s stereo camera that is relatively "idiot-proof". It take a left and right view simultaneously--the shutter and aperture are synchronized. The only problem is it's completely manual so you have to calculate the exposure with a light meter or by visual estimation. But the resulting film chips are pretty easy to put into a cardboard mount and view nicely in an appropriate viewer. The nature of the camera makes it hard to mess things up.

But turning them into digital is another story. I'm interested in doing it, but when you do that, you open yourself up to a plague of problems that aren't really issues when you're putting the slides together. For example, the fact that the images are captured on the same strip of 35mm film practically guarantees (barring a bizarre camera alignment problem) that your images are going to be parallel to each other. But the slightest discrepancy in digitizing the two images results in rotational errors that need to be accounted for. And there is software to handle such things, but it requires technique I haven't practiced.

It would help if I had a slide scanner, but I don't--just a slide copier attachment for my Nikon Coolpix 995.

SteveDallas · 09-18-2003, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SteveDallas
If you want 3-D pr0n there are regularly 50s era pingup stereo slides for sale on ebay. They're usually on the pricy side, at least for my budget--they rarely go for less than $10 per slide. There's also this and this. One photographer who's done a lot of nudes said on a stereo photography mailing list said that he's been able to get some publishers interested in his photos, but they just want to publish them as 2-D images, not stereo.

Oh and then some people just sell copies of their stuff off their own web site. (Not safe for work)

08-14-2003, 06:51 PM	#18
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Net nailed it. Pop-ups and banners for the porn boys. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-14-2003, 09:30 PM	#21
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I meant just the advertising, Juju. On a site like Consumptionjunction where the page is outlined with porn banners, it would stand out. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-15-2003, 12:52 AM	#22
Nothing But Net Professor Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spring, Texas Posts: 1,481	Proof of a concept If my toes ain't tappin' then don't come a rappin' <img src="http://www.newzucanuze.com/images/Proof.gif">

08-15-2003, 11:21 AM	#25
That Guy He who reads, sometimes writes. Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: at the keyboard Posts: 791	I was wondering what the hell you guys were talking about for just a few seconds there. I even went to this guy's site, and didn't see any of it. I was starting to think this was like those crap-tacular "stereo images" that were so popular in the mall back in the 90's, because I still can't see what's going on with those damn things. Then it dawned on me... Attached Images

08-18-2003, 10:04 AM	#26
tjennings Belt Conveyor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sioux City, IA Posts: 66	Cool, I can get my face really close to the monitor and pretend I'm in a eartquake. The ultra-calm naked people kind of destroy the illusion though. __________________ No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. Niels Bohr, physicist (1885-1962)

08-14-2003, 06:37 PM	#16
Senor Oso Antagonistic Antagonist Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 22	Okay, it really is a nifty effect, but am I the only one who started to feel a little seasick after about 30 seconds of watching it?

08-14-2003, 06:40 PM	#17
ndetroit Master Locutor Join Date: May 2001 Location: vancouver Posts: 158	I'm actually really surprised that more pr0n sites haven't latched onto this technology. In a market so completely oversaturated with product, it sure would be nice to have a key technological differentiator. .... ps: dave, i thought your comment was pretty funny, even if most everyone else missed it..

08-14-2003, 06:58 PM	#19
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	Yeah, but you actually have to be in the business of creating your own porn in order to get the two different shots required to make the 3d-ish image. I would think that that would sigificantly narrow down the prospective people who could do such a thing.

08-14-2003, 08:33 PM	#20
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	If you want 3-D pr0n there are regularly 50s era pingup stereo slides for sale on ebay. They're usually on the pricy side, at least for my budget--they rarely go for less than $10 per slide. There's also this and this. One photographer who's done a lot of nudes said on a stereo photography mailing list said that he's been able to get some publishers interested in his photos, but they just want to publish them as 2-D images, not stereo.

08-15-2003, 07:20 AM	#23
hairdog Simulated Simulacrum Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Posts: 39	What's that, uh, thing, hanging between his legs? Is it his ween? Or is it an unfortunately-placed tab to snap into his chair? Either way, it's a hoot. Did you do that in 20 seconds on Microsoft GIF animator?

08-15-2003, 07:35 AM	#24
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Hehe. Ween! There it is again.

08-18-2003, 04:09 PM	#27
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Hmmm, an interesting exercise, but I'll stick with more traditional stereo presentations. The rotational effect is disturbing (and it's more pronounced in a shot like this that has a distance between the closest and farthest objects), and the color reduction to GIF is not flattering. OK I've edited this to brin it up to a better size. Last edited by SteveDallas; 08-18-2003 at 09:44 PM.

08-18-2003, 04:29 PM	#28
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Still a bitchin' first try, though, SD. More, please? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

08-18-2003, 09:52 PM	#29
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Maybe See, the thing is, I have a vintage 1950s stereo camera that is relatively "idiot-proof". It take a left and right view simultaneously--the shutter and aperture are synchronized. The only problem is it's completely manual so you have to calculate the exposure with a light meter or by visual estimation. But the resulting film chips are pretty easy to put into a cardboard mount and view nicely in an appropriate viewer. The nature of the camera makes it hard to mess things up. But turning them into digital is another story. I'm interested in doing it, but when you do that, you open yourself up to a plague of problems that aren't really issues when you're putting the slides together. For example, the fact that the images are captured on the same strip of 35mm film practically guarantees (barring a bizarre camera alignment problem) that your images are going to be parallel to each other. But the slightest discrepancy in digitizing the two images results in rotational errors that need to be accounted for. And there is software to handle such things, but it requires technique I haven't practiced. It would help if I had a slide scanner, but I don't--just a slide copier attachment for my Nikon Coolpix 995.

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