Sexual history doesn't matter? Who would marry a porn star? - Page 3

Madman · 10-16-2006, 11:17 AM

I believe the threads were a discussion on the norm. A porn star is not considered the norm by the standards of the initial threads concerning these subjects. I also doubt when these threads were started. The idea of a porn star didn't even come to mind. I would guess that most of the posts people made were based on current relationships and not hypothetical relationships.

Would the average person (however defined) marry a porn star? First they would have to meet the porn star. Then they could take it from there.

As for me. Would I marry a porn star or a hooker? Fuck no! Why? Because they are a porn star or a hooker.

10-16-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

btw, it's clear that bmw has women issues, but the point of view he's expressing isn't nearly as hateful as you're making it out to be. If you act as judgemental as he does, how are you better? There's a lot of anger there, it would be worth the discussion to find out more about it rather than defaulting to snide one-liners and harumphs. Misogyny can be caused by things other than "he's just an asshole".

Who is "you"?
However, once you know you are a mysogynist... get it fixed.

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

I'm the opposite. I think porn and sex for fun are not only immoral, but have quite possibly done more damage to individuals' lives and society at large than anything else. Wherever you find a sex crime, you find porn somewhere in the mix. Porn is dehumanizing, and it perpetuates the idea that you can fuck anyone at anytime with no mental, spiritual, or social consequences. Tain't so.

lol taint.

Prove it.

Attaching morality to sex is what propagates the problems we have with misogyny in our society.

Porn can be dehuminzing... it can also be celebratory. Just depends on how it is done and/or viewed.

Wherever you find heroin junkies & alcoholics you find cigarettes... they just cause heroin & alcohol addiction!!!

10-16-2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Who is "you"?
However, once you know you are a mysogynist... get it fixed.

Prove it.

Attaching morality to sex is what propagates the problems we have with misogyny in our society.

Porn can be dehuminzing... it can also be celebratory. Just depends on how it is done and/or viewed.

Wherever you find heroin junkies & alcoholics you find cigarettes... they just cause heroin & alcohol addiction!!!

"mysogynist" what a cop-out. Dettaching morality from sex has degraded all men and women.

Ibby · 10-16-2006, 05:02 PM

Why is sex immoral and awful and degrading, but, say, walking on the beach, or a nice hot bath, or a massage, or a great song not immoral? It's all just pleasure and a way to get it. True, sex entails certain things to ensure safety and whatnot, but still, I dont and never will see how sex, in any circumstance, is immoral, EXCEPT in cases of cheating on significant others. Which is a whole different ballpark.

Aliantha · 10-16-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

you misspelled deluded.

You're suggesting I'm deluded because I honestly believe he wouldn't have sex with someone else?

I guess I must be deluded then.

(and it's got nothing to do with 'the powers of Aliantha') lol

mrnoodle · 10-16-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Who is "you"?

not you you. "you" as in "one"

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Wherever you find heroin junkies & alcoholics you find cigarettes... they just cause heroin & alcohol addiction!!!

For your analogy accurately reflect mine, it would have to say "Wherever you find heroin junkies, you find people selling drugs." Pornographers sell images of flesh. There's no context, no acknowledgement of the mental and emotional component of sex. This is fuel for rapists and pedos, IMO.

Aliantha · 10-16-2006, 05:46 PM

I think it depends how far back you want to go if you want to say sex between willing partners in any form is immoral.

If, as has been suggested, sex is for the purposes of procreation, then who put the caveat of marriage or fidelity on procreation? Society? Maybe...unless you really believe God did it.

Then again, if sex is the communion between two people and it's a magical thing which will bring everlasting memories of love and commitment, then yeah, don't go getting your rocks off just because you find someone attractive to the point that you can't bear to not touch them.

If on the other hand you believe that sex is a physical act which can be interpreted in many different ways, for many different purposes, then go ahead and make your own judgement call about which is for physical pleasure, and which is for spiritual pleasure.

I believe there is a distinction and that they are also interchangeable.

jinx · 10-16-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Pornographers sell images of flesh. There's no context, no acknowledgement of the mental and emotional component of sex. This is fuel for rapists and pedos, IMO.

Porn Up, Rape Down

squirell nutkin · 10-16-2006, 06:17 PM

I think bmw has listened to this song too many times:

I made it through the wilderness
Somehow I made it through
Didn't know how lost I was
Until I found you

I was beat, incomplete
I'd been had, I was sad and blue
But you made me feel
Yeah, you made me feel
Shiny and new

Chorus:

Like a virgin
Touched for the very first time
Like a virgin
When your heart beats
Next to mine

Gonna give you all my love, boy
My fear is fading fast
Been saving it all for you
'Cause only love can last

You're so fine and you're mine
Make me strong, yeah you make me bold
Oh your love thawed out
Yeah, your love thawed out
What was scared and cold

(chorus)

Oooh, oooh, oooh

You're so fine and you're mine
I'll be yours 'till the end of time
'Cause you made me feel
Yeah, you made me feel
I've nothing to hide

(chorus)

Like a virgin, ooh, ooh
Like a virgin
Feels so good inside
When you hold me, and your heart beats, and you love me

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Ooh, baby
Can't you hear my heart beat
For the very first time?

Trilby · 10-16-2006, 06:19 PM

I thought rape was about power and control.

Aliantha · 10-16-2006, 06:21 PM

It is Brianna. It's just that men are now comming to accept that they have less power and virtually no control anyway.

10-16-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwmcaw

What really changes is opportunities. When your young you have greater opportunities than when you get older.

Age is NOT an excuse.

It’s about character.

I was really trying to stay out of this, but, oh well.

I'm a million years old, and I still have plenty of opportunities. In my age bracket about the only people who don't have a sexual past are nuns or priests or someone who has something deeply emotionally wrong with them.

Any man who expects me to have sat around waiting for him for forty years, singing "Someday my prince will come" has a screw loose.

You seem to believe that sex is inherently immoral unless its between a man and wife. Period. Most of us disagree with that. Why do you keep belaboring the same point over and over again? Much as you might wish it, we are not going back to the age when women wore chastity belts.

No, I probably wouldn't marry some aging porn star, but I seriously doubt if I'd marry you either.

Why don't you go and find yourself some nice girl who thinks like you do, marry her, and move on to the next topic? This one was getting old three threads ago.

mrnoodle · 10-17-2006, 10:33 AM

jinx: lies, damn lies, and statistics

Rape is about power and control. Much of porn is, too. With or without official academic backing, I think common sense shows that hardcore porn reinforces a negative view of women, encourages unhealthy impulses in men (the power and control thing), and reduces the act of sex to simply "getting off". If viewing porn reduces the urge to act on sexual impulses, why don't we let pedos have all the kiddie porn they want? We could grandfather in all the porn that's already been produced and use it to rehabilitate molesters.

I realize that most people these days don't see sex as anything major. I also know that kids are becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages, having babies that their own parents must raise, getting abortions and getting diseased. The divorce rate is skyrocketing, with more marriages failing than succeeding. It's become chic to applaud any and all forms of sexuality (there are a few taboos left, but they'll be gone in 20 years) and deride people who cling to the hilarious notion that sex is better between 2 people who are committed to each other for life.

I just don't see that it's making us any happier. We keep searching for something that satisfies us, and it's never enough. We want to see more sex on TV, more sex on the internet, more sex more sex more sex. We have more sex in more places, in more orifices, with as many colors and flavors of partner as we can manage, yet we wonder privately why we never find real love.

Yes, some of you have managed it. Congrats.

Trilby · 10-17-2006, 10:43 AM

We don't let pedo's have kiddie porn because children are not adults, cannot give consent and no one is saying they are not damaged by this exploitation. I don't think we are talking about children or child porn here. As far as kids having sex younger and younger 'these days', every generation thinks the ones before were somehow "better"--I don't think so. Like the Good Old Days That Never Were--yeah, like before Penicillin and ibuprophen and child car seats and Child Labor Laws?

I think everyone should make peace with their own lives and sexuality. Have I made mistakes? Oh, my, yes! Am I sorry for them? Not in the way you'd think--I learned from each.

Obviously I'm not talking about people who use and abuse children or people who hurt (emotionally, physically or spiritually) others. I'm talking about two informed consenting adults.

I know there are factions out there that wish to legislate human sexuality. I also know it will never work. Human beings are human beings and act pretty much the same all throughout history. Not much new under the sun.

Oh, BTW, I, too, believe hard core porn degrades women.

10-17-2006, 11:53 AM

I agree with Bri that there is nothing new under the sun except for better birth control. In the old days, there was stil porn, there were still serial killers with a sexually twisted motivation - think Jack the Ripper or the predator who lured and killed young women during the Chicago Worlds Fair at the turn of the last century (I think the book about him was called The White Death - I'll look it up if anyone cares). People were still coveting their neighbor's wives and husbands and acting out on those desires. Little girls could end up as prostitutes in the big cities or be married off at the age of 12. Lesbians and Gays have been with us since at least Greek and Roman times, and I'm sure they were around for longer than that. I could go on, but you get the idea.

My parents HAD to get married because I was conceived in the age before the pill or easy abortions. They stayed married because divorce was practically a sin up until the late 60's. A more unhappy couple you have never seen.

I think things are better now when people can experiment a little until they find the one who is "right" for them.

And Noodle, if you don't like all the sex on TV, you can always turn to PBS or the History Channel or read Proust and turn off the TV completely.

10-16-2006, 05:02 PM	#34
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Why is sex immoral and awful and degrading, but, say, walking on the beach, or a nice hot bath, or a massage, or a great song not immoral? It's all just pleasure and a way to get it. True, sex entails certain things to ensure safety and whatnot, but still, I dont and never will see how sex, in any circumstance, is immoral, EXCEPT in cases of cheating on significant others. Which is a whole different ballpark. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

10-16-2006, 05:46 PM	#37
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I think it depends how far back you want to go if you want to say sex between willing partners in any form is immoral. If, as has been suggested, sex is for the purposes of procreation, then who put the caveat of marriage or fidelity on procreation? Society? Maybe...unless you really believe God did it. Then again, if sex is the communion between two people and it's a magical thing which will bring everlasting memories of love and commitment, then yeah, don't go getting your rocks off just because you find someone attractive to the point that you can't bear to not touch them. If on the other hand you believe that sex is a physical act which can be interpreted in many different ways, for many different purposes, then go ahead and make your own judgement call about which is for physical pleasure, and which is for spiritual pleasure. I believe there is a distinction and that they are also interchangeable. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-16-2006, 06:21 PM	#41
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It is Brianna. It's just that men are now comming to accept that they have less power and virtually no control anyway. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

10-17-2006, 10:33 AM	#43
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	jinx: lies, damn lies, and statistics Rape is about power and control. Much of porn is, too. With or without official academic backing, I think common sense shows that hardcore porn reinforces a negative view of women, encourages unhealthy impulses in men (the power and control thing), and reduces the act of sex to simply "getting off". If viewing porn reduces the urge to act on sexual impulses, why don't we let pedos have all the kiddie porn they want? We could grandfather in all the porn that's already been produced and use it to rehabilitate molesters. I realize that most people these days don't see sex as anything major. I also know that kids are becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages, having babies that their own parents must raise, getting abortions and getting diseased. The divorce rate is skyrocketing, with more marriages failing than succeeding. It's become chic to applaud any and all forms of sexuality (there are a few taboos left, but they'll be gone in 20 years) and deride people who cling to the hilarious notion that sex is better between 2 people who are committed to each other for life. I just don't see that it's making us any happier. We keep searching for something that satisfies us, and it's never enough. We want to see more sex on TV, more sex on the internet, more sex more sex more sex. We have more sex in more places, in more orifices, with as many colors and flavors of partner as we can manage, yet we wonder privately why we never find real love. Yes, some of you have managed it. Congrats. __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

10-17-2006, 10:43 AM	#44
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	We don't let pedo's have kiddie porn because children are not adults, cannot give consent and no one is saying they are not damaged by this exploitation. I don't think we are talking about children or child porn here. As far as kids having sex younger and younger 'these days', every generation thinks the ones before were somehow "better"--I don't think so. Like the Good Old Days That Never Were--yeah, like before Penicillin and ibuprophen and child car seats and Child Labor Laws? I think everyone should make peace with their own lives and sexuality. Have I made mistakes? Oh, my, yes! Am I sorry for them? Not in the way you'd think--I learned from each. Obviously I'm not talking about people who use and abuse children or people who hurt (emotionally, physically or spiritually) others. I'm talking about two informed consenting adults. I know there are factions out there that wish to legislate human sexuality. I also know it will never work. Human beings are human beings and act pretty much the same all throughout history. Not much new under the sun. Oh, BTW, I, too, believe hard core porn degrades women. Last edited by Trilby; 10-17-2006 at 11:12 AM.

10-16-2006, 11:17 AM	#31
Madman has left the building. Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 455	I believe the threads were a discussion on the norm. A porn star is not considered the norm by the standards of the initial threads concerning these subjects. I also doubt when these threads were started. The idea of a porn star didn't even come to mind. I would guess that most of the posts people made were based on current relationships and not hypothetical relationships. Would the average person (however defined) marry a porn star? First they would have to meet the porn star. Then they could take it from there. As for me. Would I marry a porn star or a hooker? Fuck no! Why? Because they are a porn star or a hooker.

10-16-2006, 06:17 PM	#39
squirell nutkin has a second hand user title Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: in a Nut House Posts: 2,017	I think bmw has listened to this song too many times: I made it through the wilderness Somehow I made it through Didn't know how lost I was Until I found you I was beat, incomplete I'd been had, I was sad and blue But you made me feel Yeah, you made me feel Shiny and new Chorus: Like a virgin Touched for the very first time Like a virgin When your heart beats Next to mine Gonna give you all my love, boy My fear is fading fast Been saving it all for you 'Cause only love can last You're so fine and you're mine Make me strong, yeah you make me bold Oh your love thawed out Yeah, your love thawed out What was scared and cold (chorus) Oooh, oooh, oooh You're so fine and you're mine I'll be yours 'till the end of time 'Cause you made me feel Yeah, you made me feel I've nothing to hide (chorus) Like a virgin, ooh, ooh Like a virgin Feels so good inside When you hold me, and your heart beats, and you love me Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Ooh, baby Can't you hear my heart beat For the very first time?

10-16-2006, 06:19 PM	#40
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	I thought rape was about power and control.

10-17-2006, 11:53 AM	#45
marichiko Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Bri that there is nothing new under the sun except for better birth control. In the old days, there was stil porn, there were still serial killers with a sexually twisted motivation - think Jack the Ripper or the predator who lured and killed young women during the Chicago Worlds Fair at the turn of the last century (I think the book about him was called The White Death - I'll look it up if anyone cares). People were still coveting their neighbor's wives and husbands and acting out on those desires. Little girls could end up as prostitutes in the big cities or be married off at the age of 12. Lesbians and Gays have been with us since at least Greek and Roman times, and I'm sure they were around for longer than that. I could go on, but you get the idea. My parents HAD to get married because I was conceived in the age before the pill or easy abortions. They stayed married because divorce was practically a sin up until the late 60's. A more unhappy couple you have never seen. I think things are better now when people can experiment a little until they find the one who is "right" for them. And Noodle, if you don't like all the sex on TV, you can always turn to PBS or the History Channel or read Proust and turn off the TV completely.

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