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Slartibartfast · 02-01-2004, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kitsune
4 simultaneous 24 hour days.

File that one under 'schizo', then bury the file cabinet under several tons of landfill.

God created only a single 24 hour day
rotation of Earth, while I have created
4 simultaneous 24 hour days within a
single rotation of Earth - therefore, I
am wiser than the word god, and all
word worshipers.

Slartibartfast · 02-01-2004, 12:57 PM

MAKE HIM STOP!!!!! GOOD GOD SOMEBODY MAKE HIM STOP WRITING!!!

"My name is Gene Ray. I represent a
Power that transcends power of God.
That Supreme Power is in Nature's
Harmonic Simultaneous Perpetual
4X4 =16 Corner Rotating Principle
4-Day Time Cube - Ineffable Truth"

"You only know what you know
from your mental brainwashing
and word indoctrination since
your birth. It is imperative that
that you know what you don't
know, but what you know, will
not allow you to know what you
don't know. The God words you
know, will not allow you to know
TIME CUBE's Highest Life Order."

Torrere · 02-01-2004, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kitsune
Slartibartfast -- awesome link. This guy may be on to something.

WHAT IF - the Bible teaches a stationary earth (just like everyone agreed it did until Copernican and finally Newtonian "mathematics" scared the churches into thinking that "science" had proof of heliocentricity)?

Oh, yeah, I bet that is exactly how it happened. Copernicus scared the church into thinking the sun was the center of the solar system and Galileo disavowed his beliefs just for the hell of it.

Copernicus, conveniently, presented heliocentrism as a hypothetical logic fantasy, and published his ideas just before he died (so that he wouldn't have to deal with the backlash.

The Bible does teach a stationary Earth, because the Bible was based on a physical model of the Universe in which the Earth was stationary. The heliocentric model invalidated their understanding of the Universe -- and the Church suppressed it because they feared that it might invalidate the Bible as well.

The Biblical Universe also neatly explained that feeling of wonder as you gaze upon a cloudless starry night. According to the Bible's model of the Universe, the Universe could be neatly represented as a series of concentric spheres*, with each planet on it's own orbit, and where the outermost concentric sphere is a sort of celestial curtain dividing Heaven from our Universe. The Stars were little pinpricks in the curtain through which the Light of Heaven shone.

The Star of Bethlehem was the opening in Heaven through which Jesus came to Earth.

They knew of gravity, which pulled everything toward the center of the Universe. Until Newton, one problem that people had with the heliocentric model was: 'if the Earth is rotating and spinning around the Sun at great velocities, why haven't we all been flung off?'.

*Before they recognized the Earth as round, it could have just been a series of bars.

[Edit: Jesus addendum

Kitsune · 02-01-2004, 03:01 PM

The Bible does teach a stationary Earth, because the Bible was based on a physical model of the Universe in which the Earth was stationary.

Actually, where does the bible state that the Earth is stationary? I can't remember where in the text that it does.

Interesting -- in doing some mild research (aka - "Google") I've read a bit that says the church's original teachings of a stationary Earth were based on Claudius Ptolemy's ideas.

Giordano Bruno had the audacity to even go beyond Copernicus, and, dared to suggest, that space was boundless and that the sun was and its planets were but one of any number of similar systems: Why! -- there even might be other inhabited worlds with rational beings equal or possibly superior to ourselves. For such blasphemy, Bruno was tried before the Inquisition, condemned and burned at the stake in 1600.

More, here.

Torrere · 02-01-2004, 03:24 PM

Giordano Bruno was awesome!

The Bible was based upon Ptolemy's ideas of a stationary Earth, because during that period of time they were widely accepted and the Bible was a product of it's times. People continued to use the 'concentric shells' model of the Universe (although during the Renaissance some heretics modified it to allow for infinite depth stars).

Part of the problem was that was that if the Universe was stars from the boundaries of the solar system on out, where did Heaven go?

This link goes into the Biblical geocentrism, and attempts to harmonize the Bible and modern science. This is really easy to do if you pass the books of faith down through the generations, but much more difficult with books and incredibly difficult as the prose becomes more precise.

Happy Monkey · 02-01-2004, 03:24 PM

I couldn't find the video, but here's an email describing an MIT question-and-answer session with the timecube guy.

Slartibartfast · 02-01-2004, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torrere

The Bible does teach a stationary Earth, because the Bible was based on a physical model of the Universe in which the Earth was stationary.

At least one guy thought that the Bible teaches that the earth is flat .

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm

sadly, his website on the flat earth society - www.flat-earth.org - is long gone.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-01-2004, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torrere
The Bible was based upon Ptolemy's ideas of a stationary Earth, because during that period of time they were widely accepted and the Bible was a product of it's times.

In several other threads proponents of the bible's authenticity claim it is the word of God. It was merely written down and unsullied by human thinking/opinion. That being true, how would God not know how the universe actually works?

Torrere · 02-02-2004, 05:40 AM

God knows exactly how the Universe works. He built it. He told us how it works in the Bible. This whole heliocentrism myth is the work of pagan sun-worshippers and their bankers.

Slartibartfast · 02-02-2004, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torrere
God knows exactly how the Universe works. He built it. He told us how it works in the Bible. This whole heliocentrism myth is the work of pagan sun-worshippers and their bankers.

and the government. don't forget the government.

damn Republicrats and Democretins

wolf · 02-02-2004, 10:19 AM

The History Channel had a show on last night about the Bible, and who wrote it, and such forth (oh, and one about Sex in the Bible too ... )

My VCR watched it for me, as it was on during the StuporBowl. I'll be trying to stay awake tonight to see it, most likely.

Kitsune · 02-02-2004, 10:28 AM

The History Channel had a show on last night about the Bible, and who wrote it, and such forth (oh, and one about Sex in the Bible too ... )

I didn't get to watch it (you'll have to tell me what was interesting when you get to view your recording!) but I thought their ad for the show was interesting: "The bible -- who wrote it, and is it a manual for sex?"

Torrere · 02-02-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast

and the government. don't forget the government.

The government is their tool to keep us from realizing the Truth of Gawd.

FileNotFound · 02-05-2004, 10:16 AM

Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
-- Isaac Asimov

peasantfarmer · 02-07-2004, 07:10 PM

How about teaching this in schools:

There are these two concepts known as creationism and evolutionism.

Creationism is not backed by what is known as empirical data. Creationism is based on beliefs passed down through generations. These beliefs, in general, tend to keep order in the lives of many millions of people around the world and may likely contribute greatly to the prevention of mass chaos. The study of how these beliefs affect the behaviors of the world populace is interesting and forms a large body of work which you may someday choose to study.

Evolutionism contains many theories that have been shown to have validity in the minds of millions of people around the world. Evolutionists have what is called empirical data to show the validity of various theories. Evolutionists are, in general, comfortable with their data and the explanations it provides them. In this comfort, they, too, may have the ability to avoid chaotic behaviors. Evolutionism possesses many large bodies of work known as the sciences any one of which you may someday choose to study.

After the above has created numerous discussions in class, put this quote up on the board and ask for explanations of its meaning (this will definitely make the room quiet for a while):

“The fact that astronomies change while the stars abide is a true analogy of every realm of human life and thought, religion not least of all. No existent theology can be a final formulation of a spiritual truth.” ~ Harry Emerson Fosdick, clergyman and author.

If this truly is the land of free will that contributes to the common good, shouldn’t everyone be given choices as long as they do no harm to the common good?

02-01-2004, 03:24 PM	#35
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	Giordano Bruno was awesome! The Bible was based upon Ptolemy's ideas of a stationary Earth, because during that period of time they were widely accepted and the Bible was a product of it's times. People continued to use the 'concentric shells' model of the Universe (although during the Renaissance some heretics modified it to allow for infinite depth stars). Part of the problem was that was that if the Universe was stars from the boundaries of the solar system on out, where did Heaven go? This link goes into the Biblical geocentrism, and attempts to harmonize the Bible and modern science. This is really easy to do if you pass the books of faith down through the generations, but much more difficult with books and incredibly difficult as the prose becomes more precise. Last edited by Torrere; 02-01-2004 at 03:33 PM.

02-01-2004, 03:24 PM	#36
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I couldn't find the video, but here's an email describing an MIT question-and-answer session with the timecube guy. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-02-2004, 10:19 AM	#41
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The History Channel had a show on last night about the Bible, and who wrote it, and such forth (oh, and one about Sex in the Bible too ... ) My VCR watched it for me, as it was on during the StuporBowl. I'll be trying to stay awake tonight to see it, most likely. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-05-2004, 10:16 AM	#44
FileNotFound Intouch with his inner sheep rider. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 603	Creationists make it sound as though a "theory" is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night. -- Isaac Asimov __________________ This is a rat. \|This is a hamster.\| This is a chipmunk.\| This is a Sheep Rider.

02-07-2004, 07:10 PM	#45
peasantfarmer Recruit or Something Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reardan, Washington Posts: 4	concepts for schools How about teaching this in schools: There are these two concepts known as creationism and evolutionism. Creationism is not backed by what is known as empirical data. Creationism is based on beliefs passed down through generations. These beliefs, in general, tend to keep order in the lives of many millions of people around the world and may likely contribute greatly to the prevention of mass chaos. The study of how these beliefs affect the behaviors of the world populace is interesting and forms a large body of work which you may someday choose to study. Evolutionism contains many theories that have been shown to have validity in the minds of millions of people around the world. Evolutionists have what is called empirical data to show the validity of various theories. Evolutionists are, in general, comfortable with their data and the explanations it provides them. In this comfort, they, too, may have the ability to avoid chaotic behaviors. Evolutionism possesses many large bodies of work known as the sciences any one of which you may someday choose to study. After the above has created numerous discussions in class, put this quote up on the board and ask for explanations of its meaning (this will definitely make the room quiet for a while): “The fact that astronomies change while the stars abide is a true analogy of every realm of human life and thought, religion not least of all. No existent theology can be a final formulation of a spiritual truth.” ~ Harry Emerson Fosdick, clergyman and author. If this truly is the land of free will that contributes to the common good, shouldn’t everyone be given choices as long as they do no harm to the common good?

02-01-2004, 12:57 PM	#32
Slartibartfast \|-0-\| <-0-> \|-0-\| Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 516	MAKE HIM STOP!!!!! GOOD GOD SOMEBODY MAKE HIM STOP WRITING!!! "My name is Gene Ray. I represent a Power that transcends power of God. That Supreme Power is in Nature's Harmonic Simultaneous Perpetual 4X4 =16 Corner Rotating Principle 4-Day Time Cube - Ineffable Truth" "You only know what you know from your mental brainwashing and word indoctrination since your birth. It is imperative that that you know what you don't know, but what you know, will not allow you to know what you don't know. The God words you know, will not allow you to know TIME CUBE's Highest Life Order."

02-01-2004, 03:01 PM	#34
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The Bible does teach a stationary Earth, because the Bible was based on a physical model of the Universe in which the Earth was stationary. Actually, where does the bible state that the Earth is stationary? I can't remember where in the text that it does. Interesting -- in doing some mild research (aka - "Google") I've read a bit that says the church's original teachings of a stationary Earth were based on Claudius Ptolemy's ideas. Giordano Bruno had the audacity to even go beyond Copernicus, and, dared to suggest, that space was boundless and that the sun was and its planets were but one of any number of similar systems: Why! -- there even might be other inhabited worlds with rational beings equal or possibly superior to ourselves. For such blasphemy, Bruno was tried before the Inquisition, condemned and burned at the stake in 1600. More, here.

02-02-2004, 05:40 AM	#39
Torrere a real smartass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,121	God knows exactly how the Universe works. He built it. He told us how it works in the Bible. This whole heliocentrism myth is the work of pagan sun-worshippers and their bankers.

02-02-2004, 10:28 AM	#42
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The History Channel had a show on last night about the Bible, and who wrote it, and such forth (oh, and one about Sex in the Bible too ... ) I didn't get to watch it (you'll have to tell me what was interesting when you get to view your recording!) but I thought their ad for the show was interesting: "The bible -- who wrote it, and is it a manual for sex?"

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