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We have to go back, Kate!
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Stuff like this, as tiny as it is, really gets under my skin. Partly because it seems insane to me to bracket children so tightly (and if it is so fucking natural and innate why do the people who feel that way also seem to feel the need to encourage and reinforce it so strongly in children?), but also because it resonates with some of my own experience of growing up - where what I thought being a girl should be didn't always match what the culture I was in thought being a girl should be. To be clear I mean the wider culture - my family pretty much let me be what I wanted to be and explore what I wanted to explore - which was a range of stuff some of which was seen as boyish by others some of which was more 'girly'.
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Why the fuck shouldn't a little boy play at being a princess? We're fine as fucking dandy with him imagining himself as a dying soldier (remember how fun death throes were as a kid? They were the best part of a pretend battle), or a gun-wielding criminal, a morally questionable, rage-driven super hero, a tiger, a lion, a wolf, or an alien species from a different galaxy - but to imagine themselves momentarily as a female character is an unnatural and dangerous reach.
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If boys wear dresses the Ghey can sneak up from beneath, even kilts invite the Debbil hisself.
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We have to go back, Kate!
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I've seen in a couple of articles, particularly the ones which are more sympathetic to IBM's situation, descriptions of some other elements of the campaign. But I have seen so many articles about it, I can't recall which ones they were. I was happy to take IBM's word for it that this was only one element of their attempt to engage girls, rather than the entirety of it.
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I think this line's mostly filler.
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We have to go back, Kate!
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I understand people's concern about the 'outrage machine'. On the other hand I also can see the frustration of those women who are in STEM with the same mistakes being made over and over by companies big enough and well-resourced enough to do better. Innovation is king in tech - but not apparently when it comes to trying to tackle gender inequality. It's the predictability of it all that is disheartening. And the drip, drip, drip of it.
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Thanks. Your last link is the Facebook video page for the campaign with 60 shares and 3633 views.
That, I could not find. How long did it take you? All I could find were stories about the program's termination. Which are your first four links. Your first four links are the outrage machine in operation. |
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The campaign was launched on October 2. At some point in October it was cancelled. That video was down before Google's cache of the page on December 1. So.
search Google News for "Hack a hair dryer". You get thousands of outrage take results. Use Google's search tools to restrict your search to October. This is the period during when the campaign was launched, and the outrage machine is not visible. There are no criticisms of the campaign. The first search result is a Vimeo page of - I did a little digging - the Art Director for the Hack A Hair Dryer campaign! The video is gone, but the cached search result includes the tag: "The concept: take a hairdryer – something typically viewed for beautifying purposes – and make it gender-neutral..." Here is the idea that made it through corporate. The original campaign actually INCLUDED the outrage take! The first result not from IBM is a reaction to the campaign from the blog: "Tech Savvy Women". Their blog entry is still live and so you can see how women in tech reacted, when the outrage take hadn't launched: Quote:
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And one more thing... I'm actually sorry for getting geared up over this, it's just that I find it to be utterly fascinating!
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It is fascinating. I didn't think you were getting 'geared up' it just seemed like robust debate to me. I've really enjoyed the discussion - it's been some nice back and forth, and I learned a lot from it.
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I think this line's mostly filler.
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It seems like you're searching so hard for the "outrage machine" that you're doing what you're claiming it does.
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Ah, I should have done that. It's result #22!
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Hebe was going to a princess party. Hector got invited to go keep the brother company so it became a princess and king party. Hector insisted on a princess dress to match Hebe's. And got one. When he got there, the brother was in a long flowing robe as a bishop
![]() I'll have to fish out the picture. He wore the shoes better than Hebe too
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