Mexico Is Gonna Sue Us.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

I don't think this was sparked by racism, mind you, but it is undoubtedly an element today.

Originally Posted by Kitsune

That's funny -- I don't remember mentioning anything about anyone's race..

Short memory? :-)

Another thing is that the Rep party has brought up this debate at a most interesting nexus in our history. Someone (Kit?) has already made allusion to this. Lets deflect criticism from the war in Iraq; lets give the Rep's an issue to disassociate their affiliation with a president who is taking a nose dive in the polls. I know! Illegals! But God, forbid, lets not involve any Rep party contributors to war chests. As usual, we'll go after the group of law breakers least able to defend themselves; not the group of law breakers who sponsor all those expensive election year ads on TV and radio.

Hello?

[tw]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Ah, those guys. Should have known. Thanks for clearing that up.

We can always count on tw for a clear, succinct, dispassionate summary of...whatever it is he's always on about.

Your numbers from Norristown tell us anything logical? Those numbers demonstrate how dependant all low wage workers are on social services. Those numbers demonstrate how much government invests in the future of America. Those numbers tell us nothing about illegal immigrants getting a free ride. And yet you tried to make that claim.

Facts - dispationate and without emotion - repeatedly go right back to the source - the problem. Like it or not, 85% of all problems are directly traceable to top management. But those who love a scumbag president instead say there is plenty of blame to go around. Are you one of the latter?

You have the option of defending reasons for massive illegal immigration - laws that make such immigration necessary. Instead you post:

... whatever it is he's always on about

Is that suppose to be logic - or emotion charged insult? You have posted diatrbes based in emotion. Now is time to be logical.

Cited are repeated examples of how government creates a need for illegal immigrants. Should I infer from your response that you cannot be logical - cannot dispute reasons for illegal immigration? Or that you simply don't want to address the problem - because it imlies Rush Limbaugh lies?

Numerous logical interpretations of your posts exist. Which one should we be using? Clearly you are diverting criticism of a president with long history of undermining America. Should we assume you are defending a scum bag president? Or do you have no defense of those who created this illegal immigration problem? All logical questions begging a "clear, succinct, dispassionate" reply. Why does this illegal immigration exist? Do we blame the symptoms - too many illegal immigrants?

Where do you once define a reason for problems? I did. So I am to be insulted? Or can you post a logical reply. Where is this reason(s) for illegal immigrants? So they can live off the citizens of Norristown?

Maggiel - you have long posted emotionally charged accusations of illegal immigrants. I have provided reasons why the problem exists and now challenge you to do same. Why does this problem exists- which should be easy if opinions were based in logical, dispassionate facts.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by tw

You have posted diatrbes based in emotion. Now is time to be logical...Should we assume you are defending a scum bag president?

Is your idea of "being logical" demonstrated by your last two posts? Because they sure look like "diatribes based in emotion" to me. Or is this just a demonstration of your "Read? I only know how to write" tag line?

In fact, I think Bush's position on this issue sucks rocks. But then, if you'd read what I've already written extensively on the subject (instead of whipping yourself into a blind raging froth about Bush...again), you'd know that.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Short memory? :-)

Small misinterpretation on my part.

I don't think this is based on racism, but I do hear a lot of comments suggesting it.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually suggest expansion of the INS beyond the mere 2,000 agents they have.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I've crossed the Canadian border many, many times. Never a problem going in, always a problem coming back.
I want all the illegal Nigerians out of MA so I guess I'm racist.

The illegal immigration issue has grated on a lot of people for a very long time. So it's not surprising when it finally comes to the spotlight, so many people are eager to jump in with their long ignored opinion.

[tw]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

In fact, I think Bush's position on this issue sucks rocks. But then, if you'd read what I've already written extensively on the subject (instead of whipping yourself into a blind raging froth about Bush...again), you'd know that.

I asked a simple question. It is asked again because you (and others) never answered that question. Why does this illegal immigration problem exist? Are they just flocking across the border because we offer free hospital care in Norristown? Or does the problem exist for same reasons that created so much violence and smuggling even during prohibition? Arguing about symptoms - the numbers of illegals - tells us nothing. Why must they come to America? Why do we not, instead, employee (and get rich) so many productive people where they live?

Why must so many risk so much to come to America? A question not just asked of MaggieL. A qustion to everyone who has been posting only about symptoms of a problem called massive illegal immigration. A question asked because so many posts don't even consider that question. So many want to cure symptoms instead of first asking the real question - why must they come here in such great numbers?

Just reposting the same question bluntly - and without insults. MaggieL, you were never insulted. Just challenged to post what you have not posted. Same question posted - three times now - without a logical reply. Why must they come here in such great numbers?

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I've crossed the Canadian border many, many times. Never a problem going in, always a problem coming back.
I want all the illegal Nigerians out of MA so I guess I'm racist.

The illegal immigration issue has grated on a lot of people for a very long time. So it's not surprising when it finally comes to the spotlight, so many people are eager to jump in with their long ignored opinion.

Originally Posted by Kitsune
Could have fooled me. The sudden demand for new laws that comes from the American public seems to be based entirely on a newly fueled passion for a problem that has existed for years but only recently hyped up by distraction-oriented politics..

You obviously have not spent any time in FL or Southern CA, ever.

Originally Posted by tw

I asked a simple question. It is asked again because you (and others) never answered that question. Why does this illegal immigration problem exist? Are they just flocking across the border because we offer free hospital care in Norristown? Or does the problem exist for same reasons that created so much violence and smuggling even during prohibition? Arguing about symptoms - the numbers of illegals - tells us nothing. Why must they come to America? Why do we not, instead, employee (and get rich) so many productive people where they live?

Why must so many risk so much to come to America? A question not just asked of MaggieL. A qustion to everyone who has been posting only about symptoms of a problem called massive illegal immigration. A question asked because so many posts don't even consider that question. So many want to cure symptoms instead of first asking the real question - why must they come here in such great numbers?

Just reposting the same question bluntly - and without insults. MaggieL, you were never insulted. Just challenged to post what you have not posted. Same question posted - three times now - without a logical reply. Why must they come here in such great numbers?

Because people are not willing to take care of their own nation. They are not willing to buckle-down and do what they have to do the fix their own nation like we did during our hard times... they abandon theirs instead.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by tw

IWhy must they come here in such great numbers?

In summary: because as criminals here they get a vastly better deal than they can legally in their homeland. Medical care is just a part of that.

My guess its *that* is because their homeland is completely in the hands of thugs and crooks, and ours largely is not. Mexico is awash in oil, yet they bring in more money ($20 billion last year in reimttances) pimping their citizens here under the table to do yardwork, clean offices and pick crops at bargain basement rates.

Your question was answered long ago in the other two or three immigration threads. Your willingness to harrangue endlessly trying to hijack every thread to your favorite topic doesn't create an obligation on the part of others to respond. Have a nice day.

[Kitsune]

Now we're cracking down. (but it was on the US side headed into Mexico? Wha?)

[glatt]

We get more than Canadians coming across the border from the North.

About a month ago, US Customs caught 2 illegal aliens from Guyana as they were smuggled in by a Trinidadian truck driver in his trailer.

But a high dose of Gamma radiation was able to see them through the sides of his trailer. I wonder what their odds of getting cancer will be?

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Now we're cracking down. (but it was on the US side headed into Mexico? Wha?)

Handy safety tip:

If you try to run over an armed cop with your SUV, he may shoot you.

[MaggieL]

Handy safety tip #2:

If you hide in cargo, you may be X-rayed.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

You obviously have not spent any time in FL or Southern CA, ever.

You obviously don't know me. :p

[Shocker]

Anyways, back to the point of the thread... if Mexico thinks they can sue the US for enforcing our immigration laws and protecting our borders, then to that I say "Bring it on"

I mean, the implications in the fact would be huge. The US has the right, and the responsibility to enforce our immigration laws and protect our borders. We haven't done anything wrong in doing so, we're just making it more difficult for immigrants to come here as criminals. Any court should see that we, as a soverign nation, can and must do what must be done, within the limits of the law, to protect ourselves and our borders. With that in mind the lawsuit should be thrown out, but assuming it isn't then the next logical assumption would be that we are only taking a reasonable response to Mexico's lack of responsibility to stem the tide of illegal immigrants. If Mexico enforced their borders and acted to create jobs in their own country, there would be less incentive for immigrants to come here illegally.