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I'd need to see some pretty convincing evidence before believing that the medicine was responsible for suicides. Before one can determine the effect of X on Y, one must observe Y in the absence of X. That means that we need to know exactly how that person would have reacted without taking that medicine. There are too many variables - how the kid is treated at school, how he is treated at home, if he feels alone, if he thinks he'll ever be able to find happiness, etc. These things may or may not be influenced by the acne and its medication. It's too early to blame it on the medicine though, I think. Studies have shown that kids on that medication have a higher suicide rate - ooookay, but do they show that kids who would normally be prescribed that medication but were not, or kids that were prescribed the medication but fail to take it, have a "normal" suicide rate? What if his acne lead to poor reception from females, thus leading to his depression? Could this not be the case with a number of the suicides? Maybe with all of them? How can we be certain? I don't think that we can without a whole hell of a lot more time invested in the research of the drug and its effects. Remember - Y in the absence of X = ? Y + X = ? Those are questions that need to be answered.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ladysycamore Oh, but he was a member of the armed services: he couldn't possibly be a threat to national security. He was just..."troubled". How about we just single out that Arab or Sikh Indian instead? It's MUCH easier, donchaknow. ![]() Quote:
Not as much at the time of the crime, but more recently. He certainly wasn't treated like the terroists that are now housed in Cuba. Quote:
Mmm...no. I was merely making a slight joke with my McVeigh reference, which you did not pick up on...and that's ok too. ![]()
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Perhaps, but IMO, the "threat" is still there, based on their history. I'm not putting anything past them. Quote:
Mmm...maybe they don't terrify YOU, but if I were walking down the street, and I saw some dude with a hood on, I'd be running the other way like my life depended on it...Hell, it WOULD! Again: the potential is a greater threat to me that anything that they are trying to convince people of believeing: "Oh, we aren't like the Klan of the past." The hell you aren't. You STILL hate blacks, jews, catholics, gays, and God knows WHO else. And who's to say that they won't summon up yet another revival at Stone Mountain, GA, like they've done during their history, to regroup, and "try" to revive some of the past? Sure, they may fail, but just the fact that they are ABLE to do so worries me more. *from the history channel website* KU KLUX KLAN There have been three Ku Klux Klan movements, which, despite a clear line of descent and strong family resemblances, were separate from one another in time, organization, and purpose. The first Klan flourished during the Reconstruction era and was all but exclusively southern in its membership and concerns. Its objective was to perpetuate white supremacy following emancipation and the conferral of civil and political rights on blacks. It was founded at Pulaski, Tennessee, in 1866 as a social fraternity, but rapidly became a local regulator or vigilante organization similar to others at the time. Perhaps intrigued by its secrecy, disguises, and unique name (derived from a Greek word for "circle" or "band"), former Confederates including Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest converted the Klan in 1867 into a paramilitary force to oppose the Republican state government under William G. Brownlow. The order quickly spread across the South in the spring of 1868 as other Republican state governments came into being under the Congressional Reconstruction acts. A similar group in southern Louisiana called itself the Knights of the White Camellia. Klansmen were drawn from every walk of life, but the leaders often were from the landholding and professional elite. After a brief flurry of practical joking and pretending to be ghosts, the Klan emerged as a terrorist group dedicated to defeating the Republican party and keeping blacks in "their place" socially and economically. Most southern counties saw little of the Klan, but others were overrun by it for months or years at a time. It tended to thrive where the two parties or races were relatively evenly balanced; in such places, terrorism was most apt to change election results. In the worst-affected counties, disguised night riders ranged the countryside on a regular basis, dragging people from their homes, whipping, shooting, or otherwise assaulting them, destroying their property, or driving them away. Most of the victims were black, but white Republicans were also targets. The Reconstruction Klan was largely rural; its victims fled to the towns for safety. It was also predominantly local, differing from place to place and with little or no central control. Members went their own way and few dared stop them. Most southern whites sympathized with the Klan's objectives if not its methods, and those who liked neither were often intimidated by it. As a result, few southerners opposed it, and the Klan often paralyzed the law enforcement process. In a few states, such as Arkansas and North Carolina, white Republicans organized militia units and broke up the Klan. In most states, however, federal intervention was required, in the form of congressional legislation, military arrests, and trials in federal courts. By these means the Klan was virtually destroyed in 1871-1872. Around the turn of the century the Klan, and the Confederate "lost cause" generally, took on a retrospective romantic appeal for southerners that had been lacking amid the suffering immediately after the conflict. This appeal was greatly stimulated by Thomas Dixon's 1905 novel, The Clansman, and D. W. Griffith's 1915 motion picture based on it, Birth of a Nation. The second Klan was born in that environment in 1915, which encouraged the superpatriotism of World War I. After the war its membership and geographic range expanded dramatically. During its heyday in the early 1920s this Klan numbered over 3 million members nationwide, and it won political power in Indiana, Oklahoma, Oregon, and a number of other states. Unlike its predecessor it was mainly an urban phenomenon, reflecting the demographic changes in the nation. It drew members and leaders from all ranks of white society, but chiefly from lower-middle-class people, largely religious fundamentalists who felt threatened by a national drift away from the small-town Protestant culture they had grown up with. The 1920s Klan fed on a variety of frustrations and fears: fear of the immigrants who were entering the country in large numbers, of communists and other radicals spawned by the Russian Revolution, of blacks who were moving into northern cities in increasing numbers, of Jews and Catholics who were rising in the economic and social order, and of labor unions demanding a larger share of the pie for their members. Some of these Klansmen resorted to violence as in the days of old. But, in a membership exceeding 3 million, the vast majority were nonviolent. They marched in parades, paid dues, and bought regalia (this Klan was, for some of its organizers, a financial bonanza). They voted for Klan-endorsed political candidates and attended rallies where crosses were burned. (The original Klan did not burn crosses; the idea seems to have originated in Dixon's novels.) The organization dwindled away in the late 1920s, the result of its own legal, financial, and political excesses, though a remnant persisted until its final disbandment in 1944. Only two years later the third Klan emerged. It was fueled by the fear of communism abroad and at home, but the civil rights movement provided its major stimulus. Organized in many parts of the country, it is primarily southern- and urban-based. Membership is still drawn disproportionately from undereducated people with relatively low social and economic status. The peak in membership came during the civil rights demonstrations of the 1960s, when it approached seventeen thousand. The modern Klan is small, chronically fragmented, and prone to internal conflict over matters of policy and personal rivalry. Groups differ in their readiness to embrace violence. Some have accumulated substantial arsenals and have even manufactured and sold weapons to raise funds. They have sometimes forged alliances with like-minded organizations, as happened in 1979 when North Carolina Klansmen briefly formed a United Racist front with the state's tiny Nazi party. Klansmen have also had ties to such white supremacist organizations as the National States' Rights party, the Aryan Nations, and the Skinheads. For all their power to make newspaper headlines, the three Klans historically failed to accomplish their major objectives. The first did not end southern Reconstruction in the 1870s; that was more nearly the work of organized rioters and Red Shirt campaigners. The second did not significantly deflect the nation's progress toward a pluralistic, democratic society in the 1920s. And the major effect of the third on the civil rights movement was to hasten the triumph of that cause when the Klan's violence helped mobilize public support for passage of landmark civil rights legislation in the 1960s. David Chalmers, Hooded Americanism: The History of the Ku Klux Klan, 3d ed. (1987); Allen W. Trelease, White Terror: The Ku Klux Klan Conspiracy and Southern Reconstruction (1971); Wyn Craig Wade, The Fiery Cross: The Ku Klux Klan in America (1987). Allen W. Trelease
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P.S. - please provide links to relevant articles in the future instead of posting the entire text.
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You know, it's funny you should state that last comment: Many blacks who "came up" during the Civil Rights movement have stated that it was "easier" to deal/fight/handle those who were "in your face" than the undercover, underlying racism that is "the norm" now. This is why it's harder nowadays to file suits against employers regarding discrimination, etc. Quote:
I don't blame him for not going. I wouldn't have gone either. They MUST have been out of their minds! ![]() Quote:
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I hate that shit. When sites do that. More than that though, I hate that javascript that disables the right click. Man does that piss me off.
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It just pisses me off 'cause I <b>always</b> right-click -> "Back" to go back when I'm done reading a page. That annoying fucking popup they do to steal the focus just pisses me off. I always make it a point to never go to that site again.
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Finally, the letter is released.
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Thank god that wasn't another terrorist attack. whew. I can relax now. Just a prank, after all. I see now why they had to embargo the letter until after the Super Bowl. Because it contained a terrorist threat. |
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it's funny how often parents are so clueless about their kids.
yeah, he loved his country. right. |
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This whole fiasco could have gone over much better if he would have just come up to VA and said "beat me to death, I'm planning on flying a plane into a building." I would have met his request, and there would be no ruined plane or a hole in a building.
I think they probably deemed him a non-terrorist because it's quite obvious that he is <b>off his rocker</b>. What a little tool. Anyway. I think he was a terrorist. Fuck the FL police. |
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Hey, they said Al Queda was trying to recruit non-Arabic people, maybe the kid was the first.
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