Rush Limbaugh STILL is a big, fat idiot - Page 6

Flint · 10-26-2006, 06:17 PM

And you can't honestly expect to get a different outcome by continuing to pick the same two evils. Can you...???

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2006, 06:35 PM

Different isn't always better.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 06:37 PM

If "the same" is guaranteed to be shit, then "different" (as in: eroding the duopoly) is guaranteed to be better (as in: a long-term strategy).

Happy Monkey · 10-26-2006, 06:46 PM

First, no it isn't. There are no such guarantees. Second, the aspects in which D&R are "the same" are only a small part of the shit, the aspects in which they are different can have a massive impact, as the past six years have shown.

In Bush v Gore, I felt much as you do, and even voted Libertarian. But Bush proved that the issues that separate D from R are much more important than those that separate D&R from L.

warch · 10-26-2006, 06:48 PM

Idealist. We can't collapse so you can rebuild your utopian society. I dont have time for that shit. We have to work with what we have. Now.

We're at war. The current leadership pre-emptively struck, mucked the plan, (if there really was one), have racked up huge debt. Soldiers are dying and our military is stretched. We've lost habeas corpus. The Internet is about to be put under corporate control. I think there is a lesser evil. Vote D.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warch

Idealist.

Wrong. I'm a realist. I am well versed in the conventional wisdom you advocate, I just take a longer view.

morethanpretty · 10-26-2006, 07:15 PM

THIRD PARTY

Rush Limbaugh is interesting to listen to...
He definately represents the small portion of extremely stupid extreme right. Although he is widely listened too, even staunch Republicans. ie my father and ex-UIL teacher, don't agree with many of his opinions but they listen mainly for the shock factor and his anti-leftism commentary.

Brett's Honey · 10-26-2006, 07:38 PM

I haven't been following politics and these issues closely enough lately to comment with many facts or knowledge, but I do know one thing - I do know for sure that at least a couple of Rush Limbaugh's comments are taken out of context, which completely changes them implication or meaning of what is being said. So that is probably true of others, too.....like I said, i haven't followed close enough lately...

tw · 10-26-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett's Honey

I do know for sure that at least a couple of Rush Limbaugh's comments are taken out of context, which completely changes them implication or meaning of what is being said.

This is the engineer in me. If you 'know' and then summarize what you 'know', then why did you not post what you 'know'? Statements without underlying facts and numbers are how liars lie. You just posted using classic Rush Limbaugh logic. You did not provide the underlying examples - the reasons why - or why you 'know'. Therefore the entire post tells us nothing.

Rush 'knew' Michael J Fox was faking. Do I now assume you 'know' using the same logic – using same reasoning?

Brett's Honey - a post with your name on it logically does exactly what Rush Limbaugh does to promote lies. Did you do that to be intentionally facetious? Were you mocking Rush Limbaugh’s logic techniques? Or do you not understand why his diatribes were no different when he was doing drugs?

Flint · 10-26-2006, 08:22 PM

I don't mean to sound like I'm right and you guys are wrong. I hear what you are saying, I understand it, and I even agree with it. And then, over and above that, I have a higher priority that I can't ignore: I know that we can never become disentangled from the entrenched two-party system if we simply choose not to. And I know that there will never be a convenient time for it. Not now, not next time around, not ever.

Will it hurt, in the short-term? Oh God, yes. I cringe at the thought of us continuing in the direction we are headed. And, there are just as many people who feel great about the direction we are headed, and cringe at the thought of the other guys getting in charge. In a few years, the positions will reverse. Back and forth, back and forth, we teeter-totter down an inevitable pre-determined path, with no real alternative ever being considered. Because we vote from fear.

Undertoad · 10-26-2006, 08:33 PM

Sounds like you vote from fear too.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Sounds like you vote from fear too.

Ironic, isn't it? I just subscribe to a fear I prefer over the pre-packaged variety.

morethanpretty · 10-26-2006, 09:07 PM

Just an example of one of those third parties we should vote for simply b/c they aren't mainstream.

Flint · 10-26-2006, 09:21 PM

So, since Democrats and Republicans are all we've seen in our short lifetimes, it will always be that way, and we should just accept it, because it always has been that way... . . . oh wait - I just scrolled a little further down the page you linked to, and, Gosh, it looks like there has been a whole bunch of political parties in the brief history of this country. Oh, forget it. I'll just vote against the boogey-man that scares me the most.

glatt · 10-26-2006, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

I'll just vote against the boogey-man that scares me the most.

Good.

I knew you would come around.

10-26-2006, 06:17 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	And you can't honestly expect to get a different outcome by continuing to pick the same two evils. Can you...??? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 06:35 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Different isn't always better. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-26-2006, 06:37 PM	#3
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	If "the same" is guaranteed to be shit, then "different" (as in: eroding the duopoly) is guaranteed to be better (as in: a long-term strategy). __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 06:46 PM	#4
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	First, no it isn't. There are no such guarantees. Second, the aspects in which D&R are "the same" are only a small part of the shit, the aspects in which they are different can have a massive impact, as the past six years have shown. In Bush v Gore, I felt much as you do, and even voted Libertarian. But Bush proved that the issues that separate D from R are much more important than those that separate D&R from L. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

10-26-2006, 07:15 PM	#7
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	THIRD PARTY Rush Limbaugh is interesting to listen to... He definately represents the small portion of extremely stupid extreme right. Although he is widely listened too, even staunch Republicans. ie my father and ex-UIL teacher, don't agree with many of his opinions but they listen mainly for the shock factor and his anti-leftism commentary. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

10-26-2006, 06:48 PM	#5
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Idealist. We can't collapse so you can rebuild your utopian society. I dont have time for that shit. We have to work with what we have. Now. We're at war. The current leadership pre-emptively struck, mucked the plan, (if there really was one), have racked up huge debt. Soldiers are dying and our military is stretched. We've lost habeas corpus. The Internet is about to be put under corporate control. I think there is a lesser evil. Vote D.

10-26-2006, 07:38 PM	#8
Brett's Honey whatever Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 308	I haven't been following politics and these issues closely enough lately to comment with many facts or knowledge, but I do know one thing - I do know for sure that at least a couple of Rush Limbaugh's comments are taken out of context, which completely changes them implication or meaning of what is being said. So that is probably true of others, too.....like I said, i haven't followed close enough lately...

10-26-2006, 08:22 PM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I don't mean to sound like I'm right and you guys are wrong. I hear what you are saying, I understand it, and I even agree with it. And then, over and above that, I have a higher priority that I can't ignore: I know that we can never become disentangled from the entrenched two-party system if we simply choose not to. And I know that there will never be a convenient time for it. Not now, not next time around, not ever. Will it hurt, in the short-term? Oh God, yes. I cringe at the thought of us continuing in the direction we are headed. And, there are just as many people who feel great about the direction we are headed, and cringe at the thought of the other guys getting in charge. In a few years, the positions will reverse. Back and forth, back and forth, we teeter-totter down an inevitable pre-determined path, with no real alternative ever being considered. Because we vote from fear. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

10-26-2006, 08:33 PM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Sounds like you vote from fear too.

10-26-2006, 09:07 PM	#13
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	Just an example of one of those third parties we should vote for simply b/c they aren't mainstream. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

10-26-2006, 09:21 PM	#14
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	So, since Democrats and Republicans are all we've seen in our short lifetimes, it will always be that way, and we should just accept it, because it always has been that way... . . . oh wait - I just scrolled a little further down the page you linked to, and, Gosh, it looks like there has been a whole bunch of political parties in the brief history of this country. Oh, forget it. I'll just vote against the boogey-man that scares me the most. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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