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02-13-2004, 12:38 PM | #76 | |
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02-13-2004, 01:01 PM | #77 |
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Quzah. First UT ignores me, and now Quzah is ignoring me. In both cases, I asked simple questions.
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02-13-2004, 01:51 PM | #78 | |
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02-13-2004, 02:03 PM | #79 |
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02-13-2004, 02:14 PM | #80 | |
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02-13-2004, 04:42 PM | #81 |
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02-13-2004, 04:56 PM | #82 |
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I agree with some of her views, but then I see holes in others.
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02-13-2004, 05:03 PM | #83 |
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What do you mean, sad? Sad that I lack compassion for animals? Or sad that I'm selfish?
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02-13-2004, 06:40 PM | #84 |
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Why?
Because i always have. Back in the dialup days (she says as she leans back in her rocking chair), we nearly ALL signed our posts.
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02-15-2004, 12:19 AM | #85 | |
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No you won't find this info spelled out anywhere else, because people don't want to know it. There is no profit motive for the vegans, but there is a huge one for the meat industry. The vegans have other motives, some of which may be misguided, but are mostly rational (IMO, but I am one one of them... well almost). Also, you have many common folk who simply make their living (not profit) off of animals, which makes it a very difficult issue. If there was a mass exodus from eating meat it would probably be most devastating for the grain farmers. But that won't happen, so I shouldn't worry.
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02-16-2004, 11:05 AM | #86 | |
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What I'm saying is that I think it's particularly unenlightened of people when given the choice between: A) Me = gets 99 widgets and Something else = doesn't suffer and B) Me = gets 100 widgets and Something else = suffers a lot to simply choose B based on a "what's it to me?" argument. Of course selfishness is important. Humans always have their self-interest in mind. However, if selfishness is the only measure of the worth of something, that is "sad". Your milage may vary. |
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02-16-2004, 01:58 PM | #87 | |
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I don't ask,"What's it to me", because I seldom do things for no reason. What's my motivation?
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02-16-2004, 02:17 PM | #88 |
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Well, there's "meta selfishness", or the desire to feel good about oneself for easing the suffering of others, regardless of their ability to repay. It's probably based on your empathy. When I see something like the burning chicken, I feel a sympathetic pain myself, so there is on some level a selfish aspect to my desire to prevent the pain.
Ahh, econ. Everything has utility...
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02-16-2004, 02:47 PM | #89 | |
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If you knew that in order for you to have a "good day" today, a baby would have to die, would you allow that to happen? Or would you just decide to have a "bad day"? What about a kitten? Or an ant? Everyone's got a threshold. Yours is just shorter than others. One related question: Is there anything important enough that you would give up your life in order to preserve it? |
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