South Africa's high court approves gay marriage - Page 7

Ibby · 11-29-2006, 09:54 PM

How can you call yourself a libertairan if you advocate the government being able to decide who you can and can't marry based on ANYTHING, whether it be sex, race, height, or eye colour?

9th Engineer · 11-29-2006, 10:04 PM

Because unfortunately we don't live in a libertarian society, you can't make decisions based on the way you want things to be rather than taking into account the way things are and working with the system. I really don't support the perks that come along with marriage now, the best solution in my mind would be to have the government stop all involvement and let people do as they please in their own lives. If bad things came from marrying 12 other people then no one would have to clean up the mess, and if people find a way to make themselves happy then kudos to any who can figure it out. I just don't trust people not to f*&# it up for alot of other people.

EDIT... I wish you could see what other people have posted since you started writing your new post

xoxoxoBruce · 11-30-2006, 06:20 AM

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xoxoxoBruce · 11-30-2006, 06:33 AM

Oh yeah, gay marriage?
Sure.... it's about time those queers got to experience a break up that means losing more than their underwear.
The pleasure of not being able to collect your Social Security because they only allow one payment per couple.
The convenience of not being able to make major financial planning moves without somebody else's notarized signature.
The thrill of paying higher car insurance because you love a klutz.

Yes indeedy, share the wonderful world of having your nesting blessed by the government.

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 10:06 PM

If you really want to know what I think I'll tell you, but not unless you specifically want to know. lol

In my mind, and I hope in the mind of lots of other people as well, the idea of marriage is to provide a haven for two people who love each other to come together and have their union accepted by their society. For some people that involves having the union blessed by their church. If you say that those two people have to be of different sex's then you're excluding a whole group of people whose ability to contribute as a married couple should for all intents and purposes, be just as productive as anyone elses.

Why do people get married these days? It's certainly not so they can get laid. You don't need to be married to get laid (in western society) these days.

It just doesn't make any sense to try and stop people from marrying if it's what is the right thing for them. Most people who want to marry want to do so for emotional reasons. Not for any benefits they might recieve for doing so.

What's wrong with believing that love is the wrong reason to want to do something?

Flint · 11-29-2006, 10:09 PM

To expand on Ali's post: gays are popularly demonized as being sexually deviant, yet not letting them get married doesn't exactly help them to settle down and live monogamously, does it? The idea of restricting their rights often seems to be based on the hope that they will simply go away.

This is the social context of this debate. You can't have the debate and ignore this stuff.

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 10:11 PM

Hmmmm...marriage doesn't necessarily guarantee monogamy though.

Flint · 11-29-2006, 10:21 PM

Nothing in life is guaranteed, but marriage is based on the idea of a monogamous relationship.

Saying "we don't want you AIDS-spreading deviants to settle down and get married" just doesn't make alot of sense to me.

If one were really worried about their "destructive influence" it seems that encouraging more "normal" behavior might be a good idea.

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 10:22 PM

ahuh...is that really what they're saying? lol Doesn't sound too PC to me.

Flint · 11-29-2006, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

Doesn't sound too PC to me.

That's "okay" though, if you believe gay-ness is a "choice" (which is necessitated, to support certain other positions...)

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 10:37 PM

lol...gay-ness. Funny word that one.

9th Engineer · 11-29-2006, 10:39 PM

as is gay-dar and most other derivatives for some reason

Flint · 11-29-2006, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha

lol...gay-ness. Funny word that one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9th Engineer

as is gay-dar and most other derivatives for some reason

I know gay people who call things "gay" as in: IE7 is "gay" - the same as it "sucks" or is "lame" . . .

Aliantha · 11-29-2006, 10:57 PM

Over here all the kids say, 'that's so gay' when referring to something they consider suckful etc. I caught my kids saying it and reprimanded them...while reminding them what the word gay means. I don't know if gay people would find it offensive or not. I probably should ask some time, but I just don't think about it that much.

Flint · 11-29-2006, 11:12 PM

That's a long-winded version of "if we allow gays, what's next, bestiality?" etc. ad nauseum...
That's weak-sauce, IMO. Illogical premise, purposefully-illogical outcome. G.I.G.O.

11-29-2006, 09:54 PM	#1
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	How can you call yourself a libertairan if you advocate the government being able to decide who you can and can't marry based on ANYTHING, whether it be sex, race, height, or eye colour? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-29-2006, 10:04 PM	#2
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	Because unfortunately we don't live in a libertarian society, you can't make decisions based on the way you want things to be rather than taking into account the way things are and working with the system. I really don't support the perks that come along with marriage now, the best solution in my mind would be to have the government stop all involvement and let people do as they please in their own lives. If bad things came from marrying 12 other people then no one would have to clean up the mess, and if people find a way to make themselves happy then kudos to any who can figure it out. I just don't trust people not to f&# it up for alot of other people. EDIT... I wish you could see what other people have posted since you started writing your new post __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity. Last edited by 9th Engineer; 11-29-2006 at 10:07 PM.*

11-30-2006, 06:33 AM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Oh yeah, gay marriage? Sure.... it's about time those queers got to experience a break up that means losing more than their underwear. The pleasure of not being able to collect your Social Security because they only allow one payment per couple. The convenience of not being able to make major financial planning moves without somebody else's notarized signature. The thrill of paying higher car insurance because you love a klutz. Yes indeedy, share the wonderful world of having your nesting blessed by the government. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-29-2006, 10:06 PM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	If you really want to know what I think I'll tell you, but not unless you specifically want to know. lol In my mind, and I hope in the mind of lots of other people as well, the idea of marriage is to provide a haven for two people who love each other to come together and have their union accepted by their society. For some people that involves having the union blessed by their church. If you say that those two people have to be of different sex's then you're excluding a whole group of people whose ability to contribute as a married couple should for all intents and purposes, be just as productive as anyone elses. Why do people get married these days? It's certainly not so they can get laid. You don't need to be married to get laid (in western society) these days. It just doesn't make any sense to try and stop people from marrying if it's what is the right thing for them. Most people who want to marry want to do so for emotional reasons. Not for any benefits they might recieve for doing so. What's wrong with believing that love is the wrong reason to want to do something? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 10:09 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	To expand on Ali's post: gays are popularly demonized as being sexually deviant, yet not letting them get married doesn't exactly help them to settle down and live monogamously, does it? The idea of restricting their rights often seems to be based on the hope that they will simply go away. This is the social context of this debate. You can't have the debate and ignore this stuff. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-29-2006, 10:11 PM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Hmmmm...marriage doesn't necessarily guarantee monogamy though. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 10:21 PM	#8
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Nothing in life is guaranteed, but marriage is based on the idea of a monogamous relationship. Saying "we don't want you AIDS-spreading deviants to settle down and get married" just doesn't make alot of sense to me. If one were really worried about their "destructive influence" it seems that encouraging more "normal" behavior might be a good idea. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-29-2006, 10:22 PM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	ahuh...is that really what they're saying? lol Doesn't sound too PC to me. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 10:37 PM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lol...gay-ness. Funny word that one. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 10:39 PM	#12
9th Engineer Bioengineer and aspiring lawer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 872	as is gay-dar and most other derivatives for some reason __________________ The most valuable renewable resource is stupidity.

11-29-2006, 10:57 PM	#14
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Over here all the kids say, 'that's so gay' when referring to something they consider suckful etc. I caught my kids saying it and reprimanded them...while reminding them what the word gay means. I don't know if gay people would find it offensive or not. I probably should ask some time, but I just don't think about it that much. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-29-2006, 11:12 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	and with this I bid you goodnight... That's a long-winded version of "if we allow gays, what's next, bestiality?" etc. ad nauseum... That's weak-sauce, IMO. Illogical premise, purposefully-illogical outcome. G.I.G.O. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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