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Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 12:35 AM

hello what?

My point is that one thing leads to another.

You think it's ok for people to talk about doing violence but it's not ok for them to actually do it.

If they weren't thinking about doing it, they wouldn't be talking about it.

Yep, I'm glad you're proud to live in a country that openly allows such bigotry and hate to go unchecked.

You go ahead and defend the rights of those racists to be the arseholes that they are.

One day when their talk leads to actions which affect your family then come and tell me how it's their right to plot and plan their evil deeds.

07-02-2007, 01:15 AM

When did I say anything about violence?
Evil deeds? LOL!!!
One is the same as another, theirs and those who would do unto them... the SAME, identical.

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 01:20 AM

It is not the same because normal rational people don't hate other people based on the colour of their skin.

Normal rational people don't hold meetings and get togethers with their friends and talk about the foul things they'd like to do to people who don't look just like them.

Do they? Or is it that different in America that those sorts of behaviours are considered normal?

07-02-2007, 01:22 AM

Normal, rational, people don't want to have more rights than others.
Elitists and fascists do... that's the definition of both of those words.

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 01:30 AM

yes well I'm not going to debates rights again. It's been done to death already.

I disagree with you and your defense of your constitutional rights. I don't buy it and I never will. You all talk of freedom and yet from the outside it simply doesn't appear that anyone is free. I'm sure you feel differently. You've said so many times. I simply don't agree that what you have is that great and I don't believe it's as black and white as you do.

Other laws restict people's behaviours if they want to live in a so called 'free' society. Laws to do with how much alcohol you are 'free' to drink if you want to drive a car. Laws to do with being quiet when you go to watch a trial. Laws to do with which side of the road you drive on. Laws are created to protect the innocent.

How many more innocent people have to suffer for your freedom?

07-02-2007, 01:32 AM

No, what I said is that most people can't handle freedom and you prove it.

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 02:05 AM

That's bullshit rkz. Surely you can find a better retort than insinuations about what I can and can't handle.

You are no better than I am.

07-02-2007, 02:30 AM

"No better"? I never stated or insinuated I was better than anyone. Much less stated I should have more freedom or rights than anyone, or any group.

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 02:32 AM

Should i not take your statement, "most people can't handle freedom and you prove it" literally?

07-02-2007, 03:17 AM

Am I to assume you feel/stated that you feel comfortable sorting out who should have freedom of speech and who should not; who gets to say what and who does not?

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 03:27 AM

I don't think you should assume anything.

Are you going to answer my question?

07-02-2007, 03:31 AM

If you mean that I am stating that:
A: Most people cannot handle being free
B: I feel you are one of them based on your opinions expressed in here
C: That enough in Europe and other nations feel it is acceptable to hold the same oppressive attitude toward those who do not think/speak as they do, most cannot handle freedom

Absolutely.

Your turn.

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 03:33 AM

Well that's your opinion rkz. Very far from fact if you're making a comparison between say the US and Australia.

You are a product of your environment just as much as anyone else and that's very clear.

The US constitution is very far from a perfect document as is the US government very far from a perfect form of governance. Consider first that criticizing another way of life or thought doesn't make your own way of life or thought better.

No country is perfect in the way it manages its people and its laws. Not even the US believe it or not.

Just because other nations are not the US does not mean they or the people who live there are less free simply because they don't have the same constitution as you do.

07-02-2007, 03:36 AM

Actually I was talking to you about the Euro policy then your opinion, I don't remember bringing Australia into it.

Are you going to answer my question now that I answered yours?

Quote:

Am I to assume you feel/stated that you feel comfortable sorting out who should have freedom of speech and who should not; who gets to say what and who does not?

Aliantha · 07-02-2007, 03:42 AM

I believe everyone in a democratic nation has a right to state their case and try and change the things that they think are wrong within their society.

If I had a problem with the laws regarding free speach and the right to demonstrate in my country I would do something about it.

At this stage I have no problem with them and i believe them to be fair.

07-02-2007, 12:35 AM	#1
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	hello what? My point is that one thing leads to another. You think it's ok for people to talk about doing violence but it's not ok for them to actually do it. If they weren't thinking about doing it, they wouldn't be talking about it. Yep, I'm glad you're proud to live in a country that openly allows such bigotry and hate to go unchecked. You go ahead and defend the rights of those racists to be the arseholes that they are. One day when their talk leads to actions which affect your family then come and tell me how it's their right to plot and plan their evil deeds. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 01:20 AM	#3
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	It is not the same because normal rational people don't hate other people based on the colour of their skin. Normal rational people don't hold meetings and get togethers with their friends and talk about the foul things they'd like to do to people who don't look just like them. Do they? Or is it that different in America that those sorts of behaviours are considered normal? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 01:30 AM	#5
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	yes well I'm not going to debates rights again. It's been done to death already. I disagree with you and your defense of your constitutional rights. I don't buy it and I never will. You all talk of freedom and yet from the outside it simply doesn't appear that anyone is free. I'm sure you feel differently. You've said so many times. I simply don't agree that what you have is that great and I don't believe it's as black and white as you do. Other laws restict people's behaviours if they want to live in a so called 'free' society. Laws to do with how much alcohol you are 'free' to drink if you want to drive a car. Laws to do with being quiet when you go to watch a trial. Laws to do with which side of the road you drive on. Laws are created to protect the innocent. How many more innocent people have to suffer for your freedom? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 02:05 AM	#7
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	That's bullshit rkz. Surely you can find a better retort than insinuations about what I can and can't handle. You are no better than I am. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 02:32 AM	#9
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Should i not take your statement, "most people can't handle freedom and you prove it" literally? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 01:15 AM	#2
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	When did I say anything about violence? Evil deeds? LOL!!! One is the same as another, theirs and those who would do unto them... the SAME, identical.

07-02-2007, 01:22 AM	#4
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Normal, rational, people don't want to have more rights than others. Elitists and fascists do... that's the definition of both of those words.

07-02-2007, 01:32 AM	#6
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	No, what I said is that most people can't handle freedom and you prove it.

07-02-2007, 02:30 AM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	"No better"? I never stated or insinuated I was better than anyone. Much less stated I should have more freedom or rights than anyone, or any group.

07-02-2007, 03:17 AM	#10
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Am I to assume you feel/stated that you feel comfortable sorting out who should have freedom of speech and who should not; who gets to say what and who does not?

07-02-2007, 03:27 AM	#11
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I don't think you should assume anything. Are you going to answer my question? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 03:31 AM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	If you mean that I am stating that: A: Most people cannot handle being free B: I feel you are one of them based on your opinions expressed in here C: That enough in Europe and other nations feel it is acceptable to hold the same oppressive attitude toward those who do not think/speak as they do, most cannot handle freedom Absolutely. Your turn.

07-02-2007, 03:33 AM	#13
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well that's your opinion rkz. Very far from fact if you're making a comparison between say the US and Australia. You are a product of your environment just as much as anyone else and that's very clear. The US constitution is very far from a perfect document as is the US government very far from a perfect form of governance. Consider first that criticizing another way of life or thought doesn't make your own way of life or thought better. No country is perfect in the way it manages its people and its laws. Not even the US believe it or not. Just because other nations are not the US does not mean they or the people who live there are less free simply because they don't have the same constitution as you do. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

07-02-2007, 03:42 AM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I believe everyone in a democratic nation has a right to state their case and try and change the things that they think are wrong within their society. If I had a problem with the laws regarding free speach and the right to demonstrate in my country I would do something about it. At this stage I have no problem with them and i believe them to be fair. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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