Gay Book Flap Erupts Again At Lexington School

[Ibby]

Hence me giving up on him.

Does anyone BESIDES Jordan want to try explaining the answers to the questions I asked that Jordan never actually answered?

Originally Posted by Ibram

Hence me giving up on him.

Does anyone BESIDES Jordan want to try explaining the answers to the questions I asked that Jordan never actually answered?

Same here, though I have been asking them for years... gave-up on a reasonable answer long ago.
Homosexuals are people, some are Christian people who want to be married in the church and should be and no one has ever told me why that should not be in logical, Biblical, or any other terms that make any kind of sense.
Kids are dealing with same sex couples, so teaching that it exists is redundant, but it shows that their experience is communal, so they get to share it in a neutral environment, a good thing. Parents should be teaching them morals (unfortunately, sometimes, their morals) and that is how it should be. If they rely on the schools to do that for them, then that is their problem and they have no room to complain, and shame on them as well.
My .02.

[laebedahs]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Homosexuals are people, some are Christian people who want to be married in the church and should be and no one has ever told me why that should not be in logical, Biblical, or any other terms that make any kind of sense.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Churches are (or should be) private institutions, and therefore can deny anyone from using their services. Marriage/civil unions shouldn't be regulated at all.

[Munchkin]

Originally Posted by laebedahs

Churches are (or should be) private institutions, and therefore can deny anyone from using their services. Marriage/civil unions shouldn't be regulated at all.

I kind of agree but not really.....Just as there are churches that refuse to accept gays (wrongly in my opinion but I hate the religiocrats and they can go fuck themselves and stick to their own) they should not be forced to marry them....HOWEVER There are churches that are happy to accept gay members, and they should not be forced not to marry them.

[twentycentshift]

two people who love each other are being looked down on? how friggin ridiculous.

i can see it now- they get to the pearly gates, and god says "sorry. you loved another human being. you're going to hell." makes no sense.

with all the hatred in our world, love is always a good idea.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by twentycentshift

with all the hatred in our world, love is always a good idea.

I just finished writing a song along those very lines, using almost exactly the same words. Peace and love are still a good idea, even if being a 'hippy' or a 'treehugger' or whatever is not 'cool'.

[Trilby]

Wasn't apostle Paul a gay guy? yeah, I think there's evidence that he was...

but, I'm no fan of apostle Paul. Anyway, lots of people are gay. Who cares?

[Trilby]

I know this argument has probably been brought up, but, like many white suburban kids raised in the late 60's/70's I was never exposed to other races or cultures. Black people did not feature in any of the books we read, they didn't go to our school and I never interacted with black people until I was in my 20's! Imagine my shock when I found out that they were a lot like myself! (and, I was shocked)--anyway, not mentioning black people in school didn't negate their existance in the world and I would have been much better off if I had known more about the whole thing.

[MaggieL]

Originally Posted by Brianna

I know this argument has probably been brought up...

Yeppers...long about here . I followed a bit further downthread with some Ginn Basic Readers covers that illustrated the point.

I do have to thank jordon for providing an opportunity to promote the Pink Pistols, and we'll be using his postings as a illustration to the hoplophobe liberals who pontificate that there's no need for the queer community to be concerned with self-defence because the world is so enlightened these days.

[Jordon]

Originally Posted by MaggieL

Yeppers...long about here . I followed a bit further downthread with some Ginn Basic Readers covers that illustrated the point.

I do have to thank jordon for providing an opportunity to promote the Pink Pistols, and we'll be using his postings as a illustration to the hoplophobe liberals who pontificate that there's no need for the queer community to be concerned with self-defence because the world is so enlightened these days.

You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me?

[mrnoodle]

I skipped a bunch of the middle bits, sorry if this has been addressed.
re: semantics.

I'll speak from a Christian perspective (and anyone here can tell you I don't hate anyone, and I don't care which consenting adult you rub your genitals on). Bear with me, I have to do a little proselytizing as background info, but the point is coming up.

To us, homosexuality is a sin. It's no worse and no better than any other sin, but in my religion, it indicates separation from God's will. The difference between me (and those who believe as I do) and Phelps' hate brigade is that I think the bible says that everyone is a sinner. In fact, I'm sure it does. It also says that no one is righteous except Christ.

Kind of lumps us all in the same group, in my book. What makes believers and nonbelievers different isn't the frequency or severity of our sins. It's whether or not we think that Jesus was God's son, and whether or not his death paid the penalty that we would otherwise have to pay ourselves.

So. To me, there's is no disconnect between recognizing homosexuality as sin and being loving and kind to every person, regardless of their personal situation with God, which is really none of my business. However, for many of us, Christian or not, gayness seems wrong biologically and morally. Therefore, someone who tells our kids "it's not wrong, it's great. I don't care what your fairy tale book or grandma told you!" is not just sharing the fact of the existence of homosexuality. They are promoting a moral standpoint that also "feels" unnatural on a very deep level. The place for this is not in schools, as many of you have rightly pointed out. By the same token, no school should allow any kind of bigotry.

Where does an book about 2 gay princes fall into this? I'm torn. Children's books normally illustrate archetypes and big-picture kinds of concepts: princess gets saved from the dragon, Bobby learns to share, counting is fun, etc. etc. This one seems like its purpose is to make political hay.

I've been wrong before.

/experimented in college
//i was stoned
///this isn't fark, why am i using slashes?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

To us, homosexuality is a sin. It's no worse and no better than any other sin, but in my religion, it indicates separation from God's will.

Exactly, and sin is a religious concept, so the rules only apply to beleivers. It's against the rules for a non-Mason to wear a masonic ring, but if you're not a Mason it's OK - the rules don't apply to you.

However, for many of us, Christian or not, gayness seems wrong biologically and morally. Therefore, someone who tells our kids "it's not wrong, it's great. I don't care what your fairy tale book or grandma told you!" is not just sharing the fact of the existence of homosexuality. They are promoting a moral standpoint that also "feels" unnatural on a very deep level.

The idea of eating placenta oogies me out, but I don't ascribe any moral aspect to it. Outside of religion, is there any justification for assigning a moral value to the "I find it yucky"ness of homosexuality?

Originally Posted by mrnoodle

I skipped a bunch of the middle bits, sorry if this has been addressed.
re: semantics.

I'll speak from a Christian perspective (and anyone here can tell you I don't hate anyone, and I don't care which consenting adult you rub your genitals on). Bear with me, I have to do a little proselytizing as background info, but the point is coming up.

To us, homosexuality is a sin. It's no worse and no better than any other sin, but in my religion, it indicates separation from God's will. The difference between me (and those who believe as I do) and Phelps' hate brigade is that I think the bible says that everyone is a sinner. In fact, I'm sure it does. It also says that no one is righteous except Christ.

Kind of lumps us all in the same group, in my book. What makes believers and nonbelievers different isn't the frequency or severity of our sins. It's whether or not we think that Jesus was God's son, and whether or not his death paid the penalty that we would otherwise have to pay ourselves.

So. To me, there's is no disconnect between recognizing homosexuality as sin and being loving and kind to every person, regardless of their personal situation with God, which is really none of my business. However, for many of us, Christian or not, gayness seems wrong biologically and morally. Therefore, someone who tells our kids "it's not wrong, it's great. I don't care what your fairy tale book or grandma told you!" is not just sharing the fact of the existence of homosexuality. They are promoting a moral standpoint that also "feels" unnatural on a very deep level. The place for this is not in schools, as many of you have rightly pointed out. By the same token, no school should allow any kind of bigotry.

Where does an book about 2 gay princes fall into this? I'm torn. Children's books normally illustrate archetypes and big-picture kinds of concepts: princess gets saved from the dragon, Bobby learns to share, counting is fun, etc. etc. This one seems like its purpose is to make political hay.

I've been wrong before.

/experimented in college
//i was stoned
///this isn't fark, why am i using slashes?

How did you make the jump from abomination to sin? Who decided this and on what authority?
Biblically it is not a sin, as I have stated previously it is an abomination and that is not a sin, not even close.
Nowhere in any bible
(The NIV does not count, it is a political pamphlet not a bible)
is the word homosexuality stated. Sodomy is not the same. Oral sex with your wife is biblical sodomy, so is prostitution, so is adultery, so is the pulling-out method even between married couples, it is not just gay sex.
It is mainly alluded to as a sexual religious rite in relation to idolatry.
Most gay couples probably don’t have a golden calf in their bedroom.
Even then it is NEVER called a sin.
Eating shellfish and hangin' out with your spouse during her "time-of-the-month" is also an abomination.
There are a loooooonnnnng list of abominations and they are equal in the eyes of the lord.
Fear the Kotex! Stay wayyyyyy back from Ms. Thomson when she is on the rag... ABOMINATION, I think it is something like 60' Lev 15:19-24
Have you ever touched a football? That is an equal abomination to having gay sex, that is right, the flesh of a pig Lev 11:6-8, or how about a shrimp cocktail mmmmmmm..... abomination too Lev 11:10, just like a blow-job with the school quarterback, there are no qualifications on which is a worse abomination.
That whole scene between Lot and the gang was about Levantine hospitality law, not a rape mob….
& the hits just keep on coming. Study with an open mind and spend time with a real bible scholar.
You can't pick and choose, either you live by Levantine law or you do not, period.
Levantine law is not sancrosect any longer, it does not work that way, Christ came to complete the law, remember?
Eat meat on Friday, you goin' to Hell sport, Levantine law... there are many.
Oh, and on the other hand there are fun things we can do, we can sell our daughters into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7, what would be a fair price is God's eyes do you think, hmmmm? As for the slaves I get to have, Lev. 25:44, I wonder if I have to let them sleep in the house?
Seen a neighbor working on Saturday (the real sabbath) Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death and it is your job to do it, better get to work sport.
Oh if you wear glasses you can't take communion because you can't approach the alter of god sinner, Lev 21:20.
If your neighbor wears a cotton polyester thread blend shirt, you know what you have to do? Stone them to death Lev 24:10-16, yup kill em for wearing a blended shirt or even trimming the hair over their temples, I hope you have not done this or I may have to find you Lev 19:27.
So if you have done any of these things or are against any of them, you have no room to point a finger.

[Trilby]

Perhaps gay folk are being integrated into the archetype?

I know from fairy tales. Nasty, brutish and short. Ask me, baby, ask me. There is more homosexuality in traditional fairy tales than you (or the Great Sky God) will ever acknowledge.

PS also experimented as a 20 year-old. I like dudes. So what?

*actually, said with a sort-of pride--fairy tales are my specialty*

[TiddyBaby]

ON Jordans behalf, .... if he feels like an illicit lawful suite should be held by a tax paying citizen against the education system... Well he got a point.

Thank God, we paid our dues so this vile act could happen.



Of course this is hours later since my last post;
and I might have been dogged unmercifully henceforth; and not know what caddish restitution's might have befell me... (am too lazy to go past last two or three posts)

But
Like I tell the Jehovah Witnesses, when they saunter up to my front deck with my Beer and Bar B Que smoke-pit:
"Yeah, God is Good, God is Great,
... Now Get a Life and Integrate"

They never seem to share a beer with me, but they like my latest "the Inspirational Study Bible" (hardback) to ramble/argue about with,...

Almost as the Church of Christ do when I play Handles "Zadok the Priest' ... and ask for the great Church of Christ trombone or Organ composer that made the music they can't perform...

Mostly I love playing the Koran (and with each version followed by the English translation talking of gods love)

Funny, I haven't heard back from the Witnesses from 2005.


(sorry.... long tangent,... but it seems the most people with "Issues" are the ones who use "Profits of love" as their puppet masters
... Unfortunately,
it's not the Profits, but the Idiots with agendas, who are weak and need to suck profits under the guise of Ministers, Priests, and Laymen of having no real job in life, but to inflame.)

Kinda like politicians.


"7 years old"
almost too old to know that people can love people... Unless the big fucking deal is the teacher was reading a pornographic sexual description between two human beings...

Jesus loves the little children, all the children in the world, red and yellow black and white, they are precious in his site, jesus loves the little children of the world.

(the "world")