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Just got back from a 4 and a half hour exam.. started it at 6pm. My senior comprehensive final for history majors. All essay, about ten pages typed single spaced (usual for college classes these days is double), covered everything under the frickin sun, no outside resources just drawing off everything you've learned, or were supposed to have learned, over the past 4 years. My eyes are all defocused from staring at the screen for so long. And now, it's sleep time.
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That sound freaking brutal. I have done them, mind you not written, but I am glad those days are long gone. Glad it is over for you. Get a cold beer or a nice glass of wine.
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That's many times more than the average number of people a drug must be tested on before being approved by the FDA. In 2001, the world population was estimated at 6.1 billion and the number of cows was estimated at 1.5 billion. |
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Well there you go. You have a bit of a bias here on this issue. I'm just a beef consumer (or in this case, not a consumer any more) who knows how to read.
I really have little interest in having this discussion again, because it's history at this point. Beef producers used to grind up downer cows and feed them to healthy cows as standard practice, but after the mad cow scare, that practice was banned. Now that NEW rules have been in effect for maybe a decade, it's very unlikely for cows now to have the disease. And the beef supply is probably safe by now, because any infected cows have been eaten. I'm still going to wait a while before I start eating it again. Griff's comment about the dairy cows is a good point. Quote:
The test rate was 1 cow tested for every 12,000 cows that were allowed to pass through the system untested. It was at that test rate that the first infected cow was found in the US. There was mild public outcry, so the government increased the testing (tenfold!) all the way up to a staggering 1 in 1,200. Then another infected cow was found in the US. After a few years of no more hits, the testing rate has dropped back down to a lower (unknown to me) number. Where are all the numbers of infected humans in the US? That's the only legitimate point the pro-beef lobby has. There really aren't any cases. But it's interesting that the human variant of mad cow disease has almost the same symptoms as Alzheimers. And reported Alzheimers cases have increased astronomically in the last few decades. It would be very easy for misdiagnosed vCDJ cases to remain hidden within the population of reported Alzheimers cases. Quote:
I don't feel much like arguing about mad cow now, especially in this thread, because with each passing day, the beef supply gets safer, and years have passed since there were BIG problems with the beef supply. It's basically safe now. But you couldn't say that 5-10 years ago because the rules were different and the testing rate was too low to have any validity. |
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My views are not based on bias they are based on fact not meat producer's propaganda or any animal rights propaganda. Most of the animals I raise are sold to kids for their 4-H beef projects. The rest are freezer beef or replacement genetics for other club calf producer's breeding programs. You are simply repeating AR activist propaganda. The solution for you is simple don't eat meat but don't use PETA tactics to scare others into thinking there is anything wrong with the beef supply in this country because of beef producers.
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That was really funny Zen LMAO!
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You seem to be saying the problem is not with the "beef producers" but with the "processors." As a consumer, I don't care who tainted the meat. I just wanted it to stop. The new December 2003 FDA/USDA regulations pretty much put a stop to it (although the inspections are pathetic.) So I'm just waiting for that entire population of cattle to be eaten before I dive back in. Not sure when that will be, but I'll stipulate again that the beef supply is probably safe by now. Cheers. |
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That is an absolute lie show your source or better yet eat fish. Don't mind the mercury or PBBs they won't cause alzhiemers
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I have a cartoon I saw online once. I wrote to the guy and told him he had used the word "effect" when it should have been "affect" but also to tell him I thought it was a great cartoon. He wrote back and thanked me, said he was retired english teacher and couldn't believe the mistake. He sent me a fixed copy in the mail, and i framed it and hung it up. It's along the same lines: one cow saying "I'm so worried we may get mad cow disease." The other cow says "Don't worry, they contained that in England, besides, it doesn't affect us goats."
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Even before FDA prohibited feeding protein derived from ruminants, other than blood products, to ruminants in August 1997, only small amounts of animal proteins were fed to ruminants in the United States, primarily to dairy cattle, because of the relatively high cost of this type of feed. Range cattle, which are on pasture most of their lives, typically receive little protein supplement of any kind.
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Holy crap, you are right. It was 1997 that feeding downer cows to other cows was banned. I was confused, because it was December 2003 that you could still feed a downer cow to a human.
But if you are trying to argue that the beef supply 5-10 years ago was safe, you aren't scoring any points for yourself by digging up those stats. I'm done with this discussion. I really didn't want to be having it in the first place. cheers |
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Downer cow:
"You know, this range isn't as green as the old one. Besides, they're just gonna slaughter us anyway. Probably gonna get hoof and mouth disease in the feed lot. Your brand looks infected." Downer cows, who needs 'em around anyway?
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Just for you F3
Foot and Mouth Disease The US has had 9 FMD outbreaks since 1870. The most devastating outbreak happened in 1914. It originated from Michigan but it was its entry into the stockyards in Chicago that turned it into an epizootic. 3,500 livestock herds were infected across the US, totaling over 170,000 cattle, sheep and swine. The eradication came at a cost of 4.5 million 1914 USD dollars. A 1924 outbreak in California resulted not only in the slaughter of 109,000 farm animals, but also 22,000 deer. The US saw its latest FMD outbreak in Montebello, California in 1929. This outbreak originated in hogs that had eaten infected meat scraps from a tourist steamship that had stocked meat in Argentina. 3,600 animals were slaughtered and the disease was contained in as little as one month.[13][14]
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You know that, and I know that, but do the cows know that?
A good friend of mine is a large animal vet she keeps me up to date about things like not being afraid of tricky noses and the like. I guess it isn't funny when you are constantly confronted by ignorance and scary "facts." But I thought it was funny and that's all that matters. :0
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You totally missed the point. It is suspected that BSE has its origins in feeding ruminant bone and blood meal to ruminants which was not widely done in this country and that was banned over ten years ago. Dairy cows do not typically last over 5 years in confinement on cement. Those would be your downer cows. Down because of the way they were kept and they had toes removed or because they had respiratory infections, not because they had BSE. Downer cow does not = BSE. Do I want to eat those cows? No, I rarely eat at McDs and I don't eat luncheon meat.
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