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henry quirk · 11-08-2018, 01:19 PM

But they damn well affect us individually.

No surprise (since I've said it over and over) I skew toward minimal regs, toward maximum individual autonomy. So: a deadlocked gov is, to me, a most excellent thing. If it's at war with itself, it's probably gonna leave me be (and won't, for the length of time it wars with itself, be foistin' up new regs [and mebbe won't be doin' a good job overseein' the old regs]).

You see it different (also no surprise).

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2018, 01:28 PM

Regulations cover a type of business. If you and Henry are doing the same type of business, the regulation should cover both of you. Otherwise, it's a bill of attainder.

henry quirk · 11-08-2018, 01:36 PM

The only regulation (law, principle, etc) worth a damn is...

Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself (or else).

Anything else is overkill and nitpicky (which is the sphere of the buttinsky).

Now, do we have new ground to cover here, or are we just goin' round and round?

If it's the former then let's have it; if it's the latter, then I'm done.

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2018, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

Now, do we have new ground to cover here, or are we just goin' round and round?

You're the one who looped back. If you don't want to cover new ground, don't try to put it on me.

How you define your business and how others define their business will conflict, whether in the scope of profit-making enterprises or not. There is no platonic ideal of "my business". Regulation provides the common framework for resolving those conflicts. If you don't like the regulation, you can work to change it.

Happy Monkey · 11-10-2018, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

"Indeed. That was what I was trying to get at originally."

No it wasn't, HM. You were just applyin' a dull razor to my notions: that's it, that's all, g'night Gracie.

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

How you define your business and how others define their business will conflict, whether in the scope of profit-making enterprises or not. There is no platonic ideal of "my business". Regulation provides the common framework for resolving those conflicts.

henry quirk · 11-10-2018, 07:25 PM

I saw my very first porno ('Alice in Wonderland' with Kristine DeBell [what a piece of ass she was {mebbe still is}]) in the Joy Theater in Rayne, Louisiana. My buddy Bart (a perv before hs time) found out the flick was comin' to town. Bein' an aficionado of all things Blue, Bart made his plans, enlisted me, and we went, we saw, we were blown away.

As I recall: it was advertised as an R movie, but it wasn't R, no sir, it wasn't R at all.

Anywho: there's the age of minority and there's the age of marjority and never the twain shall meet ('cept at midnight leadin' into the 18th birthday). Simply: kids -- bein' kids -- don't get the full measure of autonomy adults do.

This means I get to order mine around right up to 12:01am (as his 18th begins). All his future, adolescent demands for 'freedom' mean nuthin' to me (cuz, me, I'm a [loving] bastid).

No, the full measure of autonomy comes to a body with age, not fully realized from birth, meaning: I got no problem with kids gettin' the short end of the stick.

#

HM,

Nice try (at a save) but, nope, no soup for you.

Undertoad · 11-08-2018, 01:38 PM

There are many private regulations. My workplace just went through ISO 27001 certification, which proves that we enforce a standard of practices for information security. It's a harder process than, say, food safety processes that restaurants go by for their system of government inspection.

Often, there is a call for government regulation when private regulations have failed... and vice versa.

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2018, 06:22 PM

What if there's no contract, and two entities still disagree about what is "their business"?

henry quirk · 11-08-2018, 06:36 PM

.

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2018, 06:54 PM

Can you not conceive of a situation where two people could claim to be minding their own business, and still come into conflict? Whether one or both of them are making the claim honestly? Or do you just want to find some flaw with whatever example I come up with, and dismiss the general concept?

But anyway, here: Your uphill neighbor dumping toxic waste on his side of your property line.

henry quirk · 11-08-2018, 07:04 PM

"Your uphill neighbor dumping toxic waste on his side of your property line."

Shit, i thought you were tryin'.

If the waste isn't physically impingin' on me and mine, then he ain't messin' with me and I got no call to do diddly.

If the waste is makin' me and mine sick, or damagin' my property, well that's a horse of another color.

Try harder.

As conceiving a circumstance: you're the one askin' questions; the burden of conception is on you, not me.

#

"you just want to find some flaw with whatever example I come up with, and dismiss the general concept"

Yep, just like you wanna find flaws in my notions so you can dismiss 'em.

Let's not play games here, HM. We both know what you're up to.

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2018, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

If the waste isn't physically impingin' on me and mine, then he ain't messin' with me and I got no call to do diddly.

If the waste is makin' me and mine sick, or damagin' my property, well that's a horse of another color.

You could have gotten sick for any number of reasons. He's just minding his own business, dumping on his own property.

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Yep, just like you wanna find flaws in my notions so you can dismiss 'em.

If your notions rely on everyone agreeing on what "their own business" is, I've found the flaw already.

henry quirk · 11-08-2018, 07:29 PM

"You could have gotten sick for any number of reasons. He's just minding his own business, dumping on his own property."

That's what the court is for: to arbitrate between the irreconcilable and to determine guilt and compensation.

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"If your notions rely on everyone agreeing on what "their own business" is, I've found the flaw already."

Are you stupid?

I used to not think so.

If I was suggestin' a 'happy time utopia' why would i say there'd be courts, cops, and soldiers? Hell, the very first example I gave was 'robbery' (clearly Stan had a different view of what was his to mind than Joe who takes him to task for it).

You're just tired and not tryin', or you're stupid.

I'm gonna go with the first (bein' the generous soul I am).

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2018, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by henry quirk

"You could have gotten sick for any number of reasons. He's just minding his own business, dumping on his own property."

That's what the court is for: to arbitrate between the irreconcilable and to determine guilt and compensation.

Arbitrate based on what? The cop's or the judge's feelings on what people's own business is?

henry quirk · 11-08-2018, 07:39 PM

"Also, do you have to wait until you get sick before you can demand the poisoning stop?"

Obviously, if I can't prove he's harming me, mine, or my property, I need to mind my own goddamned business.

If I think he is, and I can't get him to cool it, I call the cops and the investigation begins (along with a temporary cease & desist order till shit is sorted out).

11-08-2018, 01:19 PM	#1
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Regulations aren't per person." But they damn well affect us individually. No surprise (since I've said it over and over) I skew toward minimal regs, toward maximum individual autonomy. So: a deadlocked gov is, to me, a most excellent thing. If it's at war with itself, it's probably gonna leave me be (and won't, for the length of time it wars with itself, be foistin' up new regs [and mebbe won't be doin' a good job overseein' the old regs]). You see it different (also no surprise).

11-08-2018, 01:28 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Regulations cover a type of business. If you and Henry are doing the same type of business, the regulation should cover both of you. Otherwise, it's a bill of attainder. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-10-2018, 07:25 PM	#6
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Never tried to go into an R-rated movie when you were 16?" I saw my very first porno ('Alice in Wonderland' with Kristine DeBell [what a piece of ass she was {mebbe still is}]) in the Joy Theater in Rayne, Louisiana. My buddy Bart (a perv before hs time) found out the flick was comin' to town. Bein' an aficionado of all things Blue, Bart made his plans, enlisted me, and we went, we saw, we were blown away. As I recall: it was advertised as an R movie, but it wasn't R, no sir, it wasn't R at all. Anywho: there's the age of minority and there's the age of marjority and never the twain shall meet ('cept at midnight leadin' into the 18th birthday). Simply: kids -- bein' kids -- don't get the full measure of autonomy adults do. This means I get to order mine around right up to 12:01am (as his 18th begins). All his future, adolescent demands for 'freedom' mean nuthin' to me (cuz, me, I'm a [loving] bastid). No, the full measure of autonomy comes to a body with age, not fully realized from birth, meaning: I got no problem with kids gettin' the short end of the stick. # HM, Nice try (at a save) but, nope, no soup for you.

11-08-2018, 06:22 PM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	What if there's no contract, and two entities still disagree about what is "their business"? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-08-2018, 06:36 PM	#9
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	gimme a concrete example .

11-08-2018, 01:36 PM	#3
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	The only regulation (law, principle, etc) worth a damn is... Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself (or else). Anything else is overkill and nitpicky (which is the sphere of the buttinsky). Now, do we have new ground to cover here, or are we just goin' round and round? If it's the former then let's have it; if it's the latter, then I'm done.

11-08-2018, 01:38 PM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There are many private regulations. My workplace just went through ISO 27001 certification, which proves that we enforce a standard of practices for information security. It's a harder process than, say, food safety processes that restaurants go by for their system of government inspection. Often, there is a call for government regulation when private regulations have failed... and vice versa.

11-08-2018, 06:54 PM	#10
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Can you not conceive of a situation where two people could claim to be minding their own business, and still come into conflict? Whether one or both of them are making the claim honestly? Or do you just want to find some flaw with whatever example I come up with, and dismiss the general concept? But anyway, here: Your uphill neighbor dumping toxic waste on his side of your property line. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-08-2018, 07:04 PM	#11
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Your uphill neighbor dumping toxic waste on his side of your property line." Shit, i thought you were tryin'. If the waste isn't physically impingin' on me and mine, then he ain't messin' with me and I got no call to do diddly. If the waste is makin' me and mine sick, or damagin' my property, well that's a horse of another color. Try harder. As conceiving a circumstance: you're the one askin' questions; the burden of conception is on you, not me. # "you just want to find some flaw with whatever example I come up with, and dismiss the general concept" Yep, just like you wanna find flaws in my notions so you can dismiss 'em. Let's not play games here, HM. We both know what you're up to.

11-08-2018, 07:29 PM	#13
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"You could have gotten sick for any number of reasons. He's just minding his own business, dumping on his own property." That's what the court is for: to arbitrate between the irreconcilable and to determine guilt and compensation. # "If your notions rely on everyone agreeing on what "their own business" is, I've found the flaw already." Are you stupid? I used to not think so. If I was suggestin' a 'happy time utopia' why would i say there'd be courts, cops, and soldiers? Hell, the very first example I gave was 'robbery' (clearly Stan had a different view of what was his to mind than Joe who takes him to task for it). You're just tired and not tryin', or you're stupid. I'm gonna go with the first (bein' the generous soul I am).

11-08-2018, 07:39 PM	#15
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	"Also, do you have to wait until you get sick before you can demand the poisoning stop?" Obviously, if I can't prove he's harming me, mine, or my property, I need to mind my own goddamned business. If I think he is, and I can't get him to cool it, I call the cops and the investigation begins (along with a temporary cease & desist order till shit is sorted out).

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