Hot takes on the Democratic frontrunners

[slang]

Flint,

Could you recommend something as a reference? Online blog or something similar? Something you read online regularly? Something quick for you to post?

You have made some good points but it's still your opinion. It's counter to what I've observed. I do read things that are completely opposite of my opinion but have not seen examples as you have described.

[Undertoad]

It happens all the time. My post about Chelsea Clinton getting attacked was this escalation:

1. Rep. Omar attacked moderate Dem support of Israel

2. Chelsea lightly attacked Rep. Omar

3. Progressive students vigorously attacked Chelsea

and add:

4. Lefty pundits attacked Chelsea or progressive students, depending on where they sat

All the time. I'll try to find more examples.

The intersectional identity politics wing is practically designed to be in a constant state of attack.

[Undertoad]

It's not just Reps vs. AOC, it's just as often Dems vs. AOC

AOC vs Biden spat "AOC group condemns 'old guard' Joe Biden as candidate of 'no we can't'"

Lieberman vs AOC vs Lieberman spat "'New party, who dis?': Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez mocks Joe Lieberman after he said she wasn't future"

The next POTUS candidate will split the Dems. A moderate will annoy the progressives. A progressive will annoy the moderates. The divide is palpable. The time of the reformation is at hand.

[slang]

Originally Posted by Flint

...Start there?...

Originally Posted by Undertoad

All the time. I'll try to find more examples.

The intersectional identity politics wing is practically designed to be in a constant state of attack.

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It's not just Reps vs. AOC, it's just as often Dems vs. AOC

Thank you.

[Flint]

Nancy Pelosi calls the Green New Deal the "Green Dream, or whatever" (a big ƒuck you to AOC and Justice Democrats)

Beto makes a point to self identify as "a Capitalist" (distances himself from any variety of Solcialism, or the candidates who espouse them)

Biden says "rich people are not the problem with our country" (distances himself from any candidate who wants more progressive taxation)

[Undertoad]

About 12% of Bernie voters wound up voting for Trump last time. In a new Emerson College poll, over 20 percent of Bernie supporters are saying they would not vote for other Democratic candidates if the senator loses the primary.

The poll also found that 21% of Sanders supporters said they would vote for Trump in the general election if Buttigieg won the primary, 26% said they would vote for Trump if Warren won the primary, 18% said they would vote for Trump if O’Rourke won the primary, and 17% said they would vote for Trump if Harris won the primary.

Bernie has a strong protectionist vibe, and has said Trump actually does not go far enough along NAFTA lines. Bernie is a nationalist who advocates for a strong US.

There is a reverse component here which is also interesting:

Oddly, 5% of Sanders supporters said they would vote for Trump if Sanders won the primary.

These are Democratic Trump voters. It appears Democratic Trump voters are most likely to be Bernie voters in the Primary.

[Flint]

It's called "brand insistence" --when your customers only want YOUR brand of hotdogs. If the other brand of hot dogs is all that's available, the customers will either eat hamburgers, or just leave.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

These are Democratic Trump voters. It appears Democratic Trump voters are most likely to be Bernie voters in the Primary.

An irrelevant argument is 'liberal' verses 'conservative'. This game keeps extremists in line and emotionally focused on what they are ordered to believe.

Trump or Sanders supporters; neither are moderates. Actual contest is moderate verses extremist. Of course they see less difference between Trump and Sanders. Extremists are driven by (make decisions using) emotion.

[henry quirk]

I think the long-haul contest is between 'libertarianism' and 'communitarianism', but I'm just an emotion-driven extremist, so: what do I know...

[Torrere]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

These are Democratic Trump voters. It appears Democratic Trump voters are most likely to be Bernie voters in the Primary.

One of the weirder predictors for Bernie support in the 2016 primary was counties that voted for non-Obama candidates in the 2012 primary. These are voters that have been voting for Republicans in general elections since Reagan, but remain registered Democrats. In the primaries, they file protest votes. I'd wager that a lot of the Bernie-Trump voters also voted for Clinton in 2008.

[glatt]

Just saw on the little TV on the elevator that Warren and Biden are in a virtual tie.

I predict Warren will get the nomination. It's early still, and odds are against my prediction, but I think she is the primary candidate to beat. Biden has the cash to do some damage, but I think he won't be successful.

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I loathe age discrimination, but I really wonder about his age. If elected, would he live out his term?

[Undertoad]

nobody notices they're all just tubes of meat, almost identical




the politicians, i mean

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

nobody notices they're all just tubes of meat, almost identical




the politicians, i mean

You, sir have not lost a single fucking step.

[sexobon]

Every time I see AOC, I think *appellation d'origine contrôlée (AOC) and I wonder what she tastes like.

*The French certification granted to certain French geographical indications for wines, cheeses, butters, and other agricultural products.

[henry quirk]

She appears to be spicy, but is probably bitter (or just bland).