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Undertoad · 08-14-2005, 02:07 PM

Still, the NAP philosophy tells you have no responsibilities (and yes, no obligations) in a situation where you know your neighbor is endangering children.

Radar · 08-14-2005, 03:30 PM

No, it tells us we have no responsibilities that we don't willingly choose for ourselves. My neighbors have every right to stop him if he is endangering their children. They also have the right to appoint agents to help them. If my neighbors ask me to help and I agree, I can choose to stop this man, but at no point am I under an obligation to do so, unless I enter into some sort of contract with the neighbor for instance if they hire me to stop him.

The NAP does not say we don't have obligations and responsibilities, just that those can't be forced upon us.

Undertoad · 08-14-2005, 04:48 PM

There is much it "does not say". Other philosophies consider how to determine truth and how to determine beauty. How does the NAP come down on these items?

xoxoxoBruce · 08-14-2005, 06:17 PM

Why does one philosophy have to cover every facet of your life?
That's like one set of rules for baseball and football.
And what does your political philosophy have to do with beauty?
Come to think of it, what does politics have to do with truth?

Undertoad · 08-14-2005, 06:44 PM

We're just trying to figure out how much it applies to.

Back to the neighbor, let's say your friends appoint agents to operate for them and stop the guy, but he says he was driving in a safe manner, and appoints bigger agents with bigger guns to represent him. In the NAP, who decides which side is right?

Radar · 08-14-2005, 07:04 PM

The NAP doesn't prevent having a judiciary

Undertoad · 08-14-2005, 07:30 PM

A judiciary decides who's right. Who's on the judiciary?

Radar · 08-14-2005, 09:36 PM

Hopefully non-partial judges who are familiar not only with the rule of law, but with natural law. One that knows the limitations on the powers of the government and one who knows government may never have any powers that we as individuals don't have to grant to it.

Undertoad · 08-14-2005, 09:43 PM

Who decides who is on the judiciary?

Radar · 08-14-2005, 11:29 PM

The last time I checked, some judges were elected, while others were appointed.

Undertoad · 08-15-2005, 07:11 AM

What does the NAP tell you about who is on the judiciary?

Radar · 08-15-2005, 10:04 AM

It says they were either elected or appointed to judge to settle disputes, and to fairly and ethically determine whether or not a punishment fits a crime when a jury finds that a crime has been committed. Again, a crime has only been committed when the person, rights, or property of a non-consenting other have been physically violated, harmed, or endangered. The judge and jury also have a duty to judge not only the merits of the case, but also the fairness of the law itself.

Undertoad · 08-15-2005, 11:22 AM

The judiciary is elected or appointed. What if the judiciary does not act in accordance with the NAP?

wolf · 08-15-2005, 12:05 PM

Is that when we get to put them up against the wall, shoot them, and start over?

Undertoad · 08-16-2005, 08:22 AM

Under the NAP, what if the judiciary does not act in accordance with the NAP?

08-14-2005, 03:30 PM	#2
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	No, it tells us we have no responsibilities that we don't willingly choose for ourselves. My neighbors have every right to stop him if he is endangering their children. They also have the right to appoint agents to help them. If my neighbors ask me to help and I agree, I can choose to stop this man, but at no point am I under an obligation to do so, unless I enter into some sort of contract with the neighbor for instance if they hire me to stop him. The NAP does not say we don't have obligations and responsibilities, just that those can't be forced upon us. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-14-2005, 06:17 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Why does one philosophy have to cover every facet of your life? That's like one set of rules for baseball and football. And what does your political philosophy have to do with beauty? Come to think of it, what does politics have to do with truth? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-14-2005, 07:04 PM	#6
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The NAP doesn't prevent having a judiciary __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-14-2005, 09:36 PM	#8
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Hopefully non-partial judges who are familiar not only with the rule of law, but with natural law. One that knows the limitations on the powers of the government and one who knows government may never have any powers that we as individuals don't have to grant to it. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-14-2005, 11:29 PM	#10
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The last time I checked, some judges were elected, while others were appointed. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-14-2005, 02:07 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Still, the NAP philosophy tells you have no responsibilities (and yes, no obligations) in a situation where you know your neighbor is endangering children.

08-14-2005, 04:48 PM	#3
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There is much it "does not say". Other philosophies consider how to determine truth and how to determine beauty. How does the NAP come down on these items?

08-14-2005, 06:44 PM	#5
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	We're just trying to figure out how much it applies to. Back to the neighbor, let's say your friends appoint agents to operate for them and stop the guy, but he says he was driving in a safe manner, and appoints bigger agents with bigger guns to represent him. In the NAP, who decides which side is right?

08-14-2005, 07:30 PM	#7
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	A judiciary decides who's right. Who's on the judiciary?

08-14-2005, 09:43 PM	#9
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Who decides who is on the judiciary?

08-15-2005, 07:11 AM	#11
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	What does the NAP tell you about who is on the judiciary?

08-15-2005, 10:04 AM	#12
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	It says they were either elected or appointed to judge to settle disputes, and to fairly and ethically determine whether or not a punishment fits a crime when a jury finds that a crime has been committed. Again, a crime has only been committed when the person, rights, or property of a non-consenting other have been physically violated, harmed, or endangered. The judge and jury also have a duty to judge not only the merits of the case, but also the fairness of the law itself. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

08-15-2005, 11:22 AM	#13
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The judiciary is elected or appointed. What if the judiciary does not act in accordance with the NAP?

08-15-2005, 12:05 PM	#14
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Is that when we get to put them up against the wall, shoot them, and start over? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-16-2005, 08:22 AM	#15
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Under the NAP, what if the judiciary does not act in accordance with the NAP?

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