Voting by Mail

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Of course, my address on those applications could have been just a typo; but, I wanted to tell my wonderful story on this Sunday afternoon.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes I saw your size 1 white print, that makes it worse.

It means I recognized there was more than one possible assumption of which I chose one for the sake of argument. No one has demonstrated that the one I chose couldn't be the correct one.

I wasn't talking about all mail. I was talking about mail-in ballot applications. This is what I actually said:

Originally Posted by sexobon

The post office delivers based upon name, not address; so, those applications were never delivered to me...

This is evidenced by the fact that the post office did NOT deliver to me mail-in ballot applications with other people's names and my address.

The distinction is that the post office had a specific reason to the contrary. Delivering them could create a voting discrepancy. There are other items they deliver based upon name too.

Without a specific reason to the contrary, mail sent to an address will be delivered.

[EMPHASIS MINE]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You're creating a story on false assumptions and a lie.

No, your critiquing what I wrote without reading comprehension and keeping things in context.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Bullshit.

[Undertoad]

when it comes to the Presidency, you don't spend expensive lawyer money to not win

[sexobon]

Did Benny get his application for a mail-in ballot yet?

[Griff]

Benny doesn’t have a drivers license or a social security number, therefore he can’t request a mail-in ballot.

[Ibby]

are they mail-in ballot application forms, or mail in ballots? because Burlington at least (possibly the whole state) mailed a ballot application form to the last known address of, as far as i can tell, every registered voter. Mine didn't even go to my current registered address; it went to my previous voting address, which was where i lived two addresses ago, and eventually found me through mail forwarding.

also,

none of the challenges for establishing identification that an in-person voter would have to satisfy

what challenges does your state have? because i've never had to do anything other than give my name at my polling place.

anyway, clearly you are not at the point of assuming good faith here either. which is kind of my point; at this point, trust in the system is being attacked. When I see Trump attacking mail-in voting, of which there is little to no evidence of unreliability, and saying that he is actively preventing funding the post office because that will prevent mail-in voting, well, i have trouble ascribing good faith to his actions around mail-in voting and the post office. When you see that there was a piece of undelivered mail indicating that a voter with a name you dont recognize is or was once registered at your address, you have trouble ascribing good faith to that. and i think the fact that, again, we literally disagree about what the actual facts and realities of the situation are is a real bad sign, and an indicator that this election is not going to be like any other election in recent memory. Nobody is going to have faith in the results.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Ibby

are they mail-in ballot application forms, or mail in ballots?

As I stated, application forms. No one by those names has lived at my address for at least 18 years.

Originally Posted by Ibby

... what challenges does your state have? because i've never had to do anything other than give my name at my polling place.

Signature comparison (when one signs for the ballot, it's compared to one's signature in their records). That becomes cursory if the polling officer recognizes you from previous years. A new polling officer would check the signatures and many people wouldn't even notice that it was done. If there's a discrepancy with the signature, a supervisor takes over the authentication process.

Originally Posted by Griff

Benny doesn’t have a drivers license or a social security number, therefore he can’t request a mail-in ballot.

Then Benny can't vouch for you.

[Undertoad]

the USPS is funded by postage; what he would be holding up is additional funding

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

the USPS is funded by postage; what he would be holding up is additional funding

And therefore no more overtime meaning large amounts of mail may sit unprocessed for days (ie ballots). And removing mail processing machines from processing centers. And stopping maintenance on remaining machines (that process tens of millions of letters each day) to cut costs.

My local post office is already seeing this problem. Between number of new employees they cannot hire, the new employees who cannot be taught the routes (due to cost cutting), and Covid problems, my Post Office is already having serious delivery problems. On two days recently, the carrier never got to my neighborhood. All in the name of Trump's new Postmaster General who was put there to advance The Donald - at the expense of America.

The Donald is so corrupt that, if you cannot prove he is doing it for America, then a default and obvious answer is " To Get The Don Reelected".

He has been that corrupt his entire life. He never once created or ran a productive company. But he sure did enrich himself even at the expense of all contractors and every major bank.

[sexobon]

You just to have to face the fact that you're in and out of it at times. You misread/misinterpret across the boards. You're polemical based upon whether or not you like someone at the moment. Memory is fading. You confuse discussions between similar threads. Often you're with it; but, sometimes you're not and you're too egotistical to recognize it and compensate for your declining mental capacity. You're becoming twtwtwBruce.

You're interpretation might have had application if my comments had been posted in the post office discussion that occurred in the thread "A Rural Area with Moderate Politics"; but, they were in the "Voting by Mail thread". Sometimes overlapping discussions are just too much for you to be able follow and differentiate.

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Bullshit.

Some might tell you "I'll get off your lawn right now." which is a nice way of blowing off folks who are losing it.

I'll just say: Double Bullshit on You.

[tw]

Originally Posted by sexobon

Sometimes overlapping discussions are just too much for you to be able follow and differentiate.

Now he is plagiarizing Trump.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Meanwhile, a little more seriously: the wife and I just got an individually addressed postcard apiece about what to expect with our mail-in ballots, starting with expecting them to show up in our mailbox on or about 4 October, how many ballot dropoff locations will be scattered across the county (47 of them) and the encouraging feature of postal tracking of ballot envelopes. Sign up for that at WheresMyBallot.sos.ca.gov for it. Good idea if it works well and doesn't crash.

Ibby hasn't caught up on the USPS yet; the changes are all being held until appreciably after the third of November 2020. (His post does not show awareness of this.)

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

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Ibby hasn't caught up on the USPS yet; the changes are all being held until appreciably after the third of November 2020. (His post does not show awareness of this.)

Her post (try to keep up please) was correct at the time it was posted. History doesn't "catch up", despite your attempts, like Trump, to rewrite it.

[Happy Monkey]

Still correct, as far as I can tell. He said he'd hold up further damage until after the election, but even if he holds to that, he's not undoing damage already done.

[tw]

Damage apparently was done weeks ago. I first noticed this about six weeks ago. My magazine, that ALWAYS arrived on Saturday, started arriving on Mondays or Wednesdays. Only in the past six weeks. One issue never arrived.

I mailed a first class letter to Madison Ave NYC on 10 Aug. It just arrived on 23 Aug. Letters to NYC were delivered in two days. What changed in these last six weeks?

Postmaster General (a strong Trump supporter) said he will not make any changes until after November. He need not. Changes he would need to obstruct mail-in balloting (what Trump said he wants done) has apparently been mplemented. Postmaster General need not make any changes. It was already done.

One neighbor requested a mail in ballot weeks ago. It had not arrived. They told him to call back if it still had not arrived next week.

On two occasions this past six months, no mail delivery happened for anyone in my neighborhood.

He need not make any changes. Changes that may obstruct mail-in balloting apparently have been implemented.

And then this reality. Anything that does not prove Trump as innocent means he is guilty. Trump's entire life has been about corruption. Even his sister says so. Says Trump has no ethics and no morals. He had none even as a kid.

Says so much about the integrity of some here who still praise Trump.